What I Signed Up For

working part time jobI’ve been semi-retired to part time at my W2 job since October of 2017.  I wrote about my initial experiences and feelings early on back in November, but it’s my intention to keep updating my experience as the journey progresses.

So for a quick recap, I was a senior manager and director of a large office when I decided enough was enough.  Having reached financial independence, I wanted to go part time.  My management was amazing and helped me out.  But I had to give up the director job and they found a couple new tasks for me that involve modernizing our technology and business practices.

I’m working 20 hours a week, usually two 10 hour days.  And I’m in charge of no one.  Two days of work, 5 days off.  A normal lifestyle flipped to opposite.

Yes, overall it’s still bliss.

 

Stop Calling Me Sir!

One of the new projects they put me on involved working with a team of 5 other folks to come up with what could roughly be described as a business plan.  These are mid-career employees, one of whom I managed years ago.

So now I was trying to be one of them.  Once they found out I was on the team, the whole dynamic of the project changed.  Or so I’m told by someone else who was there prior to me joining.

I came to meetings, they sometimes called me “sir”.  Man I hate that.  I want to be one of them again – I don’t want to be seen as “the director guy”. 

But I realize that seed has been sewn.  They’ve become accustomed to seeing me as one of those guys….. i.e. upper management.

Lesson 1:  Changing my identity to something I was in the past will be difficult if not impossible.

 

Let’s Have A Meeting To Prepare For The Meeting

Then there are the meetings.  As a manager, my style was very hands off.  Micro-management is the bane of the working world, and my agency has far too much of it.  My philosophy has always been to treat people as smart adults and let them go, let them be free. 

Or as Gen. Patton famously said “Don’t tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results”.

A big part of being hands off is to have minimal meetings.  As a director I followed that principle, and the performance of my office as compared to others proved it to be effective.

But the first thing I noticed on this new project with more junior folks was the constant meetings about the project.  Way.  Too.  Many.working part time job

There barely seemed to be any time to get things done before we were in a conference room again!

Additionally, they had no clue how to run a meeting.  The first 10 minutes of each meeting seemed to be setting up the AV systems and call-ins, and talking about TV shows in a social aspect while waiting for folks to show up.

Poof, there goes another 10 minutes….

If you’re going to have a meeting at 9:00, get there a bit early to set up slides and start the damn meeting at 9:00!  When others inevitably show up late and you’re ten minutes in, they’ll quickly get the picture that you’re not effing around.  If they care at all they’ll change their behavior and stop showing up late.

Being thrust back in this environment, I’ve found that I have to curtail my desire to suggest certain improvements in how they work. 

I learned lots of things during my career progression, like how to run a meeting.  That’s one of the simple things that got me to senior management.  These folks are still on that road, and I realized quickly that if I started to assume the role of mentor in this group and suggested changes I would further cement my status of “the director”, along with all the “yes sirs” that the title brings. 

Ugh.

I want to be one of them dammit, but I can’t take some of the crap that comes along with that.  Like too many poorly run meetings.

Lesson 2:  I’m going to have to put up with sub-optimal things that I optimized years ago if I want to assume this new role without going nuts.

 

Ego Check

They hired a colleague who I know pretty well to take my old job.  He’s now the director of the office that I had running like a well-oiled machine, and it was kind of a promotion for him.

I’m very happy for him, he’s a good dude and super smart.

However, he’s started to add extra meetings and bureaucracy to apparently “tighten things up”.  It’s been a slow creep, but a creep nonetheless.

I’ve only been watching it from the outside, but a few of my former employees have dropped hints to me that it’s causing some, let’s say, discord in the office.

As much as I want to think I don’t have an ego or too much of a BS sense of pride about this stuff, I’m finding that I have more than I thought.

ship has sailed

Ship. Sailed.
#MaybeIfIWaveTheyllSeeMe

Part of me is itching to meet with him and try to peel back the onion on these changes to see why he’s doing it.

But that ship has sailed.

It’s his office now, I voluntarily gave up that job and I have to sleep in the bed I made.  My bed only involves working 20 hours a week, so don’t cry for me Argentina.

But still, I’m finding out things about myself here.  Even though I didn’t like the Director job, I did it well and it turns out a part of me is kind of proud of the work I did there.

So seeing another person take the reigns and make changes is upsetting in some ways.

Damn.  Self discovery again.

Lesson 3:  I thought I didn’t care so much but I was wrong.  I can be proud & protective of things I did in a job I didn’t want.

 

So in the end, seeds were sewn, beds were made, ships have sailed.  I’m moving on in this new life and learning as I go.  The self discovery aspect is actually enlightening and I know it will serve me going forward.

But the process of making those discoveries is the uncomfortable reality I must wade through.

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Dave @ Accidental FIRE

I reached financial independence and semi-retired in my mid-40's through hard work, smart living, and investing. This blog chronicles my journey and explores many aspects of personal finance including the psychological and behavioral factors that drive our habits.

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45 Responses

  1. Team CF says:

    Hey Sir, these are some neat observations from someone that “demoted” himself within the organization to get more of “life”. Very interesting, not sure if I could do the same, especially lesson 3 seems pretty difficult to accept. How long are you planning to continue this part time work?

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Lesson three is the hardest indeed. But there’s still enough “I don’t care” in my brain about it that much of the sting has been neutered. I care more than I though, but still don’t care enough, if that makes sense 🙂

      And my agency has hinted that they’re evaluating part time policies, so that’s made me a bit nervous going forward. We’ll see.

  2. Keep up the strong work, sir. It’s hard letting go of something when you have previously done it. Particularly when you did it well, and its being done differently now.

    In my line of work, I see this all the time when I am around other docs supervising residents on procedures that are in my expertise. It’s extremely challenging not to say anything when they are struggling. So, I just let them know I am available to help, if they need it. The good ones take the hint; the others keep on flailing til they get it. Maybe that could be your approach to the person who took your old job. “Hey, I just wanted to let you know I am available if you ever have any questions or want to bounce ideas off of someone.”

    That may be your “in” for a good conversation.

    That said, working 2 days a week and being off 5 sounds grand 🙂

  3. I could totally see how you’d be feeling that way. I had something kind of sort of happen that was similar (although I’m still full time-boo hoo!!), so I can relate. I’m reading stoic material to try and detach. It’s hard when you do care about something to not want to control it, but you can only do so much and have to let the rest go…

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Yes! Stoicism is helping me deal with it. “It is what it is”. It’s a cliche and overused term, but still has wisdom.

  4. DocG says:

    I absolutely hate meetings. What a waste of time. Letting go of responsibility is difficult. I struggle with it to!

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      They do suck. But lucky me, my meeting today is with my bike. And we meet at noon for a nice long ride!

  5. Ms Zi You says:

    Your 2 day week sounds epic, even better you get to spy on your successor!

    I’ve found a lot of normal organisations have so much fluff built in, and so much micromanagement is needed get anything done. Sometimes it shocks me that people wait a week until the next meeting to say they didn’t understand what was discussed in the next meeting.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      It is indeed kind of like spying on my old colleagues. There some voyeurism to that. But when it gets bad it never does for too long until I’m off for 5 days in a row again!

  6. Probably one of the best posts I have read on how work changes and the mental adjustments required when shifting to part-time. It sounds like you have it very well dealt with and most likely those 5 days being outdoors is where you reset your mindfulness. Listening and watching is probably the hardest thing for you but at the same time you can be the invisible hand guiding the younger co-workers. You can empower them without them knowing it. Cheers

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Thanks for the compliment Chris, that means a lot! As I’m sure it is for you too I find that being outside and physically active is what keeps me balanced. More time to do that can only be good the way I see it. Still think I’m detoxing a bit though..

  7. I just stumbled upon your blog. I heard someone say the other day..where there is growth, there will be pain. I have some of your same sentiments as I don’t work as a RN as much as I used to. I gave up some things and I gained some things.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Glad you stumbled 😉 Regarding the growth-pain dynamic, I have some posts in the hopper dealing with various aspects of that subject. It is very true!

  8. Operation Husband Rescue says:

    I think it would be pretty hard for most people who had worked their way up to that status in a company to just cease caring as soon as they walked out the door (even if it is only a partial walk-out). After all, the people who don’t give a crap about their jobs usually stay in the lower levels of the company due to lack of desire to put in the work to get to the upper levels.
    It sounds to me like you are adjusting well, especially since you’re able to be a little bit introspective and not just go in there and tell everyone what’s what. Someone who wasn’t adjusting well wouldn’t be able to control their emotions that way. I’m glad you are enjoying partial retirement so far! It sounds like a great time.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      You make a great point and it’s one that a good buddy of mine said as well. Even though my gradual slide deeper into “I don’t care” territory has been steady, the mere fact that I got where I did assumes some deeper level of care. I mean, it would be hard to put in 20+ years of hard work and NOT feel something. I’d have to check my pulse at that point!

      Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

  9. Your post reminded me of what I went through in my first year as an employee after selling my business! I stayed on with the newly merged entity but I no longer had full control. The first year was hell! But it does get easier 🙂 good luck!

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Wow, that’s a tough one! Doing what I’m doing is one thing but doing it in a business you own is another level. Thanks for the comment and for the encouraging words!

  10. Much smaller scale, but even stepping back 20% took some serious readjustment on my part. I can only imagine what a 50% step back looks like (and sound like more than that considering you’re there just two days a week). 2 days on, 5 days off sounds pretty ideal to me. But like my situation, it’s hard to sometimes remember how good you gave it in the day to day.

    • I think any stepping back requires some adjustment and self-examination. Work is such a huge part of all of our lives, making changes in how much you do it just has to have an effect. Thanks for the comment Angela, I enjoyed hearing your podcast episodes!

  11. LJB says:

    I am in a somewhat similar situation! For health and work-life-stress balance, I reduced my time to 80% and am grateful for a re-assignment that my boss arranged (from Director-level and supervising a unit to being on the CRM conversion team with no one reporting to me)… Your observations are SO right! Ship. Sailed. Ego – yeah, it’s there. Great to read your perspective to help me put mine into words1

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Cool, so glad you could relate! This not-supervising thing is really nice isn’t it? 😉

  12. my first few years here in this big conglomerate i thought i wanted to be promoted and interviewed a bunch of times. i’m really not a good personality fit for this company (outspoken and low tolerance for bureaucratic bullshit) and it was best i stayed where i was. lots of my cohorts who ended up in those spots ended up fired in different cutbacks. about 5 years in a switch turned in my brain and told me “just cash the checks every week and do your job well and let the rest go.” it turns out that sometimes it’s good to be a gooner, once you put ego aside, knowing your’re capable of much more.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Sorry Freddy, don’t know why WordPress marked you spam. Temperamental they are….

      Just cash the checks and do the work – I love it! I honestly used to look a bit down on folks like that but I’ve totally changed my view. Constantly pressing to be a leader and breaking new ground can be good, but also leads to burnout and exhaustion. Not to mention the politics and backstabbing.

      Thanks for the comment!

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  14. Susan @ FI Ideas says:

    No good decision was ever made in a swivel chair. — George S. Patton

    A friend of mine just sold his veterinary practice to a corporation. They contracted him to stay a year. He only made it 6 months and got himself “fired” in a subtle sort of way, as they were assigning new positions and it was like musical chairs. When I saw him last, I asked if he was still working there and he laughed. He knew I already guessed that he wouldn’t make it the whole year. So lets see, you started this arrangement in October, right?

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Haaaa – oh man!! You kill me Susan. Yes it was October. I wonder if my entry badge has an expiration date on it 😉

      And you found another great Patton quote to match the one I put in the post. You’re awesome!

  15. That’s one hell of a post, my friend. I’ve not come across someone’s experience where you sort of have one foot stuck outside the door, but in a good way. Sort of like the ghost who can see everything happening around him, but can’t change anything now. But heck, for 2 10 hour days a week? I’d be a ghost too. 🙂

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      That’s a great way of describing it. I’ll keep wading through and no doubt learn more about myself. Thanks for the compliment!

  16. Mrs. Groovy says:

    It’s difficult to stay quiet when you know better. I’d just keep thinking about the “overall bliss”.

    Not having climbed to a management level position I’m not sure how I’d feel in your shoes. My feelings toward my last job were such that when I was done, I was done. I couldn’t have stayed on part time, still dealing with all the meetings, conference calls, and relationships.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Sounds like your job tolerance had an absolute expiration date. That’s a nice situation to be in. Finish it and take a bow!

      I am trying very hard to focus on the blissful part. It’s much easier to be positive now than when I was doing full time for sure.

  17. Wow that’s a pretty unique situation you’re in. There’s nothing wrong with taking pride in something you’ve built up, especially if you had built something that was good and worked well! The adjustment must be tough, but it sounds like a good learning experience. After all, you do only have to put up with it for two days a week 😉

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Yes, ‘unique’ is my specialty…

      It’s tough on one hand, but as I mentioned, blissful on the other. Every ying in life has a yang.

  18. As someone serving in the military, I am VERY familiar with the “meeting to prepare for the meeting”. 🙁

  19. M says:

    I heard the phrase “Stop wanting what you don’t want” recently and it really resonated with me. The idea is that in real life, things are packages and you can’t only cherry pick the best from them.

    For example, getting the sports car would be great, but do you also want the payments? Having the great body is great….but do you want to spend the time in the gym and always watching what you eat? Or at work, you want the title and money, but do you want the meetings, hours and politics that comes with it?

    From reading your blog, I’m convinced you don’t want that job again. But I know its hard to not want parts or it, and its absolutely natural/normal.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Your powers of perception are keen 🙂 I definitely don’t want that old job back. There are other jobs at my agency that I might consider going back to full time for, but I don’t have any plans to pursue them at this point.

      And most things come with a good and a bad, for instance your example above about the struggle that comes with being healthy. That I’m all for. But other things, not so much. Each of us is different and has to weight the pros/cons. Of course if you want to be financially independent, you can’t have “all the things”. Most people obviously consider that con to be a bridge too far…

  20. Doc G says:

    Transitions are always bittersweet. Eventually you have to let go.

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