The Money To Anxiety Ratio

In 2021 as covid vaccines rolled out the cycling group rides and races that are such an important part of my life came back.  While this provided a huge boost to my moral and my training, I also got some sad news.  In late spring just as my training was ramping up one of my main training partners told me she was leaving the D.C. area to take a job in Norfolk Virginia.

Crap.

Besides being a total badass on a bike and a former decorated college athlete, Melissa was also a great friend despite our age difference.  We lived just a few blocks away from each other and that made it easy and convenient to link up for training rides. 

After the initial craziness of covid waned in 2020 and we all stopped wiping down our groceries, Melissa and I started riding together a lot more.  With big rides and races canceled, Melissa provided a much needed social link to my riding in 2020 and into 2021. 

She moved in the summer of 2021 and I lost a great friend and training partner.

 

Show Me The Money

Melissa is a lawyer.  When she lived here in the D.C. region she worked at one of the famed big law firms on K Street in Washington. 

Regular Accidental FIRE readers know this, but others might not realize that of the top 20 counties in America with the highest household income, a staggering 9 are counties that surround Washington D.C

I bring this up to set the backdrop of how much a K Street lawyer makes in D.C.  Melissa is 31 and although I don’t know her exact salary before she left, she told me it was over $300,000 per year. 

Yeah. 

Money To AnxietySo we’re talking big bucks here, doctor money basically.  But we all know how this works, her law firm often owned her life.  She frequently put in 80 hour weeks or more. 

I can’t count the number of times we set up a time to ride only for her to cancel, even on weekends.  Once she traveled to Ohio for two weeks to take care of her mother who had knee replacement surgery.  She worked the whole time, about 12 hours a day.  She was on a big case and the case doesn’t stop because of her mother’s surgery. 

Although not “FIRE aware” as far as I knew, Melissa and her husband were pretty frugal considering how much she alone made.  She drove a Honda Fit, a $17,000 car. 

Her bike was a $1,500 model which might sound expensive but is literally considered a junker for most serious road cyclists who typically dole out $4,000 – $8,000 for their bikes. 

She told me quite a few times that she had no dreams of becoming a partner in her firm.  Those people were “often in their 40’s but looked in their 70’s” she said due to the stress and unhealthy lifestyle. 

In short, Melissa was one darn smart cookie in more ways than just law.

 

Anxiety To Money Ratio

A few weeks ago Melissa contacted me to invite me to a race in her area.  We started catching up and in short she couldn’t be happier.  Here’s the thing though, she took more than a $150,000 pay cut for her new job in Norfolk

Her new job is as a lawyer for the Department of Defense, aka the Federal Gubment.  And even though her pay was cut by more that twice the amount of the median household income in America, she’s happier than ever. 

At one point she texted me “my anxiety to money ratio is better than I could have ever imagined.  This is what healthy living feels like, I should have done this earlier.” 

Money to anxiety ratio.  What a great concept.

She now works 40 hours a week, no more.  She never works on weekends.  Her case load is reasonable.  So although her pay went down a shit-ton, her anxiety level went down even more.

 

Baby Steps

Money To AnxietyMy anxiety to money ratio improved significantly over 4 years ago went I went part time at my job.  I didn’t just cut down to 32 hours or even 24, I went to half time, just 20 hours a week. 

My salary of course was also cut in half and I had to pay more to keep certain benefits like my healthcare plan.  So in truth my take home pay was cut by more than half. 

But my anxiety level? 

It wasn’t just cut in half, it was probably cut by like 70% or so.  I’m not kidding. 

This is of course a subjective measure and I’m trying to put a number on a very non-quantitative thing like anxiety, but it’s my best estimation.  I know myself because I’m stuck in my darn body every minute of every day, and I’ve lived the transition.  It’s a damn good estimate.

The very first week that I went to 20 hours it felt like a massive steel anvil was lifted from my shoulders.  Being able to go grocery shopping or to ride the notoriously crowded trails in the D.C. region on a weekday afternoon when they are kind of empty brought a level of happiness that I’m still enjoying today. 

It’s calmed me, and made me a more patient person. 

In short going part time is a great baby step to take to improve your money to anxiety ratio.  It’s not a panacea and of course being ridiculously wealthy and just fully retiring is probably a better path.  But that’s also a bit hard to pull off. 

So your turn financial warriors – is your money to anxiety ratio where you want it to be?  If you could take a 50% pay cut but decrease your anxiety by 70% or more would you do it?

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Dave @ Accidental FIRE

I reached financial independence and semi-retired in my mid-40's through hard work, smart living, and investing. This blog chronicles my journey and explores many aspects of personal finance including the psychological and behavioral factors that drive our habits.

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36 Responses

  1. Amen Dave. I make a lot less money as a bootstrapping entrepreneur than I could as an employee working for a large company, but I get to control my own working hours. While I work 40-50 hours most weeks, I also take frequent international vacations where I do almost no work. And I love what I’m doing. I still get some anxiety as a business owner, but that’s the price of emotional investment in a project, and I get to find my own balance for how emotionally attached I’m willing to be in any given moment.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Having control of your time is something that’s hard to put a dollar amount on. Being W2 vs being an entrepreneur both have pluses and minuses that are situational, and my life trajectory is that W2 was good for me then, but it’s not now.

  2. wallies says:

    At least lawyers bill all their hours. The real killer in white-collar America is unpaid overtime. Companies overclassify their employees as “exempt” and pay them on a salary basis to get them to work an unlimited number of hours for the same pay. Section Section 13(a)(1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) uses very flimsy definitions of salaried work and a $35,568 threshold, which is way, way too low.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Well they bill the hours to the client on behalf of the law firm. Melissa was on salary, but she did get a year -end bonus if she met certain criteria. Her bonus was probably bigger than my salary, haha

  3. The way I’ve come to think about going part time (to even just 4 days a week) is that it would be a 20% reduction in working/income but a 50% increase in free time/weekends. The math just makes sense!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      YES! I never looked at the simple math that way, but for those who live for the weekend it’s logical. Increase your weekend by 50% by taking a 20% reduction in pay, love it!

  4. steveark says:

    When I retired six years ago I went from 45 hours a week to 8 hours a week while my income went from over $300K to about $100K. Last year I dropped my 8 hours to one hour or less a week and the income dropped proportionately. The stress went 100% away at 8 hours a week and going to one hour a week didn’t really change that. I sometimes take on a little extra work as a favor for my former partners because its fun work and challenges me mentally and socially. But I also frequently turn work down if it feels too restrictive. Being FI is a superpower in retirement.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Superpower says it all Steve, I agree. Your trajectory while not typical for most given that you were a CEO is still a great example of using that superpower to benefit your life more holistically. You’ve won 🙂

  5. Xrayvsn says:

    That really is a great concept, money to anxiety ratio.

    As you probably recall on my blog, I was getting burnt out at work as a radiologist. Finally added a 3rd full time partner and it was like a light switch went off. Sure I took a pay cut but work is far more tolerable now and easier than it has been in decades. My anxiety level dropped precipitously down and more than justified the decrease in pay.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Good for you Doc, sounds like that was a great move. Your job can probably be very stressful and repetitive. Reduced anxiety no doubt makes you better at it

  6. i’ve never made much money if you consider my STEM qualifications, but i’ve always made enough at my big chemical company. and, since 2017 my work life has been largely pretty good. i work at a 90% stress free job. anyhow, the potential for my situation came up a few months ago so i started applying for jobs for the 1st time in at least 10 years. what i discovered is akin to your post today. i went out to one interview and ended up driving about 40 minutes home with part of that in 6 lanes of traffic past the airport. another place around the corner wanted to hire me but only wanted to give me 3 weeks paid time off for about the same pay rate.

    bottom line is this: where you gonna go find a sweet 13-14 minutes commute, easy work, and a work gym where they pay you for that 30 minute run every afternoon? but, people found out i was looking around and left my situation alone so that part worked. i’m not leaving unless the situation is much better but nobody needs to know that.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Nobody needs to know is right, and keep your cards hidden. It’s your business and you don’t owe them any window into your desires or future. All that aside, I think you should get a job at a vineyard 🙂

  7. Mr Fate says:

    I couldn’t agree more! Actually in Melissa’s case her pay on a per hour basis is still the same as she’s been working 40 rather than 80 hours per week (it actually may be more since she dropped tax brackets too) and what a massive de-stressor that is. I made big coin in my day, but I’m sure if I took my total hours into account is was prolly less than minimum wage. Levity aside, there’s something to be said about not having a gig where your life is owned by an employer. Hope she’s stoked! Oh yeah, she may now qualify for killer Gubment benefits and pension!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Yeah I should ask her to try to calculate her per hour rate now that she works so much less. That’s what matter sin the end. As for a pension, you get on after 5 years in the Federal Gubment, so she’s got a bit to go but I’m sure she’ll get there.

  8. Lambo says:

    Years ago in our mid 30’s with 3 young kids in tow my wife and I took a 40% pay cut to leave a top 5 city and move to a college town. The quality of life and community improved by 3X. Ultimately after another job change I ended up in a large corp again but this time with very little traffic stress and remained in my new community. The decision to move for the right reasons was one of the best in our lives and would never look back and change it. The opportunity to leverage my “City Job/Corporate Skills” and remain in a family/college town environment was a game changer that fueled Financial Independence. The kids got roots down and have life long friends as young adults and I FIREd.

  9. Tawcant says:

    I love this Dave. Money isn’t everything. We need to pay more attention to our mental health.

  10. ThomH says:

    We are in our sixth year of being early retired, so our anxiety ratio is probably negative these days! During my old MegaCorp days, I typically worked 60-80 hours per week while still climbing the horrendous corporate ladder. When I secretly FI’d in 2009, I pulled the golden parachute chord on my contract, and left because my anxiety-ratio was through the roof. I just didn’t see any other way to rebalance my life, other than to just leave. In month 17 of my 18 month severance, I got a call back from MegaCorp aggressively requesting me to return. I could “name my price”, and they offered several newly created roles to choose from. I was able to restructured one of those new roles into the perfect reduced role for myself, and chose to go back (mainly to qualify for several additional mortgages for my growing side-gig rental property investments). My anxiety-ratio was incredibly improved overnight with a much smaller role and slightly less compensation. I made it five more years in that “fun” role before leaving MegaCorp for good in late 2015. I’ve never looked back…100% anxiety free and loving it now fully FIREd! I highly recommend anyone with a high anxiety-ratio to look for opportunities to improve that life balance sooner rather than later. There may be options that you’ve yet considered or discovered. In the meantime, build your FU fund or side gig, so you always have choices.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Wow, your story is awesome. So cool that you were able to get that extra time based on your demands. That’s FU money right there! You looked after yourself and put yourself as #1 and that’s what we should all be doing. Congrats Thom!

  11. julieJulie says:

    This concept has been on my mind a lot lately! I finally decided to quit my FT job and do part time consulting (today is actually my last day at my FT Job!!). My main goal is to reduce stress and free up some time to actually do things I enjoy. What a radical concept 🙂 Love these types of posts, Dave. Thanks for posting!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Wow – huge CONGRATS! It really shouldn’t be considered radical concept but sadly it is. I think society in general just accepts high anxiety so they can make a lot to spend a lot on things they don’t need.

      • julie says:

        Totally agree! And thanks! 🙂 When i gave my resignation and explained my reasoning to my boss he said ‘I could retire but i dont know what i would do with my time’… it’s kinda sad that he’s so complacent in a very stressful job/industry and can’t think of anything that would be more enjoyable/fulfilling.

  12. Andrea J Dixon says:

    About 2 years ago I took a promotion that had some big plusses (certainly money was one of them), but I didn’t really want the job. Within days I realized that I had traded way more of my life away than was worth it.

    I’ve just taken a slightly lower level job in my organization that I’ve actually wanted to do for 20 years. It did come with a healthy pay cut, but it is by far the best decision I’ve made in at least a decade:) I love the job, still make more money than I really need and my life is pretty much my own now, other than the 6 months that I still deploy to Antarctica every year (which I love). Total win. And with any luck, I won’t make that mistake again…

    Great article Dave. I think there are many thousands of people that deal with this on a regular basis. It’s really easy to forget how much value we should put on our time and freedom.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      “Healthy pay cut” That’s the appropriate term because the pay cut contributed to your overall health. As I’ve mentioned to you before, I would take a very healthy pay cut to work in Antarctica!

  13. Great for Melissa! Sounds like a much better life to lead–and even at half the salary, still a number that is nothing to sneeze at. Plus those great Gubment benefits. And as Fate said, it works out to the same hourly wage!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Exactly, she still makes big bucks and that fact can’t be lost. She’s a smart woman, and she’s damn hard to chase down on a bike too!

  14. Ricardo says:

    I used to live in the DC area and the bike trails in the summer on weekends are busy. Nothing beats getting on the W&OD trail and heading out west to Leesburg and Purcellville on a weekday afternoon when everyone is at work!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Seriously, after covid the W&OD has been nuts, sometimes even on weekdays. It’s good to see more people getting exercise but man it’s crazy. Now I tend to shoot for less than optimal weather days during the week and that seems to be the best time to avoid the crowds. Way out by Purceville it’s much better 🙂

  15. This is a perfectly timed post for me. I’ve been struggling with my money to anxiety ratio lately. I took on a new job about a year ago and I was hesitant at the time because I suspected it would come with a big increase in stress. Some might call it a self-fulfilling prophecy but I’d like to think I have good instincts and that I should have listened to my gut more on this one.

    Anyway, I’m heavily leaning towards giving back the added responsibilities I took on and I’m even considering trying to go part-time. There isn’t really a precedent for people going part-time at my company but I think there’s an outside chance I may be able to get it if I push for it. We have young kids that demand a lot of our time and our portfolio is large enough now where investment gains are doing the heavy lifting so it’s not as important to maximize our ongoing contributions.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Man the gut is powerful, but it’s really hard to listen to sometimes when your mind attempts to justify or take over. Sorry to hear about the increased stress load but looks like you’re determined to rectify that and you have the means. At least you tried right? Thanks for the comment and good luck!

  16. Joe says:

    Nice move! She’s still making good money and life is a lot better too. Win win.
    When I retired from my engineering career, my anxiety level dropped off the chart.
    Of course, I made a lot less as a blogger. But that’s the beauty of financial independence. I don’t need to make a lot of money.
    These day, I have no anxiety at all. Dividing by 0 doesn’t really work. Heh heh.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      You mean you’re not stressed as a blogger? Really?
      Haha, it’s a tough job, the boss is crazy. Hope Thailand is still going well!

  17. Bowman Klinkenberg says:

    I’ve been following your content for a few months now – nice work and I’m looking forward to reading more! I’m glad to see mental health being addressed as one of the core components of FI and hope that message can continue. Why the stock photo of a potential suicide by pills though? It felt like an afterthought at best, and the jarring nature of the photo undercut your more nuanced message. Mental health medication and suicide are both highly charged topics that deserve more than a random photo. Please keep up the good work and spreading your message!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Thanks for the kudos and for reading. As for the photo, if someone wants to see ‘potential suicide’ in it then they can do that. Someone could do that for a photo of someone standing at the edge of the Grand Canyon too, it’s all in what you want to see or think. The bottom line is that America is a heavily medicated society, and getting more so all the time. All I did was show an open-license picture of some pills, of which about half of American take every day according to the article. Those folks are not committing or attempting to commit suicide. It’s just reality. Thanks again!

  18. Steve says:

    I stumbled on your blog post because it was linked on a Facebook group I’m in. I’m a little embarrassed to say I make $300,000 a year supplying the booming construction industry in New England, working about 50 hours a week. I don’t have employees (I did previously, in a related endeavor — it was awful) and I’m happy and relieved to report I absolutely love my job. I pinch myself daily that I can love the work I do, with only a little overtime, at this level of generated income. Having been a corporate grinder in the distant past, I know that pain and encourage folks to leave the cubicle at all costs.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Wow good for you Steve, sounds like you found the holy grail – a job you love that pays really really well. I’d ride that situation out as long as I were able!

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