Yes I’ll Be Your Mentor If You Ask Nicely

I’ve written before about how I moved up pretty fast in my career in the federal government.  Having come from a tough job in the private sector I found standing out in the government to be easy.  I just worked really hard as always, but unlike in my previous job so many in the government didn’t. 

One thing I regret however is not having an official mentor in the beginning of my federal career.  I probably could have moved up even faster with the right mentorship to help navigate the massive and sometimes inane politics and bureaucracy of a federal career. 

As I moved up and eventually (err…kinda regrettably) got into management I was asked quite a few times by junior employees to be their mentor.  I distinctly remember the first time I was asked, the feeling was immense pleasure and gratitude.  I had arrived, I thought.  This person wants to actively learn from me, so I must be doing something right. 

By the simple fact that I was jumping fast through the ranks I knew I was doing things right, but I also thought I was abrasive and frankly off-putting to people.  I didn’t suffer laziness and fools without giving them hell. 

Overall I was asked to be an official mentor about 5 or 6 times, the last one from a super-smart kid who’s star is still rising, and it was always a rewarding experience. 

But what’s even better is being asked to be a mentor in areas outside of my career.

 

Mentorship

mentorWhat exactly is a mentor?  Oxford dictionary defines it as “an experienced and trusted adviser”.  A college guidance counselor could fit that definition, as could many other relationships in life like parents or trusted relatives. 

When it comes to a job or a skill however, mentorship allows you to get specific with advice. 

My ramblings on this blog have opened up numerous opportunities for me to be a mentor in areas not related to my career, and that is one of the reasons I’ve continued despite declining readership. 

Less than a year into this blogs life a few readers started messaging me asking for help and mentorship for mountaineering.  I advised them on how to train, what gear to get, and how to acclimatize.  Some of those exchanges have gone on for years.  I’d never turn anyone down to give that advice, it stokes me. 

Twice readers have reached out to me to help them buy their first bike.  I helped guide them through options and felt honored and grateful the whole time. 

I’ve also had a few readers over the years ask for help in graphic design and how to start selling online.  Each time I thought “wow, this person has obviously checked out my stuff to make sure I’m not a fraud and is still asking me for advice – this is amazing!”.

I even had someone ask me for guidance on starting their own blog.  We even had some zoom calls and the whole thing made me feel extremely grateful.  Heck I almost felt like a real blogger, haha.

 

Identity Transition

I’ve written about the loooong and slow process of transitioning my ‘work identity’ from what I’ve done in my long federal career to my new business as a graphic artist.  And even an identity as a moderately competitive age-group athlete, although I get no income from that one (yet?).

Frankly I’m not quite sure I’d even consider fully retiring early without the new validation I’ve received by being asked to be a mentor for climbing, designing, or any other thing.  I think I’m the kind of person that has to have that validation in some aspect of life to feel like I’m doing something. 

If I were following the cliche meme of sitting on the beach all day in early retirement I highly doubt anyone would ask me to mentor them on that skill.  Of course I would 110% suck at it because I can’t do it for more than 30 minutes. 

Another amazing aspect of being asked to be a mentor in these new and tertiary aspects of life is that it helps to squash imposter syndrome.  I don’t have imposter syndrome as a mountaineer or cyclist as I feel I’m pretty darn competent in those areas.  But I do have it somewhat as a blogger and I definitely still have it as a graphic artist. 

Perhaps imposter syndrome is worst for me as a graphic artist because that’s the realm that I’m now making the most income and some part of me feels undeserving of that.  Who knows.  But having a few folks ask me for design help has sure been a morale and confidence booster. 

Ideally being a mentor means teaching, and I did that for 17 years as an adjunct faculty member at a big university.  But it also means learning from the person you are mentoring, and that’s where I’m excited to take these new relationships.

 

Find A Mentor Be A Mentor

I’m not writing this post to toot my own horn.  I’m 100% positive each and every one of you has been asked to be a mentor numerous times, either overtly or simply through personal relationships. 

But from my experience if you want to move up in your career faster and give yourself the best chance to get to financial independence, you should seek out mentors. 

And when you’re ready to move away from your career or to early retire, it’s incredibly rewarding when you’re asked to be a mentor for things not even remotely related to your career.  That’s a signal that you’ve attained skills and diversified in life.

And it can certainly help you shed the identity of the career you’re moving away from to take on a new one.  That’s a good place to be. 

 

 

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Dave @ Accidental FIRE

I reached financial independence and semi-retired in my mid-40's through hard work, smart living, and investing. This blog chronicles my journey and explores many aspects of personal finance including the psychological and behavioral factors that drive our habits.

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13 Responses

  1. AK says:

    I understand feeling the imposter syndrome. However, I appreciate your blog and your writing very much. Your writing is authentic in a way many blogs are not. I started out reading many financial blogs and this is the one blog I’m still subscribed to and read regularly. I’m glad you’re still writing!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Thank You AK, that means a lot and you just made my day. I appreciate having you as a reader!

  2. i never had a ment-o at big brother corp and i’m sure it cost me some opportunities over the years. i just couldn’t suck it up and ask and it probably turned out to be a blessing. so many people who got promoted are now gone and i’m still here doing this easy modestly paying job.

    this post makes me miss young missy here in the lab. i taught her all the lessons i knew about money and how i messed up my “career.” it was never a situation of “you should do this, this and this.” it was a conversation about options and what things went well and poorly in my life. as you say, dave, it was very rewarding.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      You my friend are a mentor to Missy and that’s an awesome thing. Just don’t teach her your extensive knowledge of cuss words and how we used them in the last century 🙂

  3. Julie says:

    Dave, i absolutely love this post! As one of the people who have asked you for advice about being an artist, I now feel special 🙂 In all seriousness, you make some great points. I’ve been a mentor to people throughout my career, and an informal mentor to other people for various hobbies. Being able to mentor others was the best part of my career. I am also thinking about starting a blog later this year or next year once i can back away from my career-work a bit more. So i may reach out to you about blogging as well 🙂 Cheers Dave!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      It’s been my privilege to help Julie, I still have to pinch myself sometimes when I think how cool it is that people can make money from home creating designs. The internet is wonderful thing. So anytime I can help others do that I’m all in!

  4. I’ve heard that mentoring is sometimes just as beneficial for the mentor as the mentee, and I one thing I liked about working at larger places is there was more of a formal program for mentoring or it was in office. I wonder the best way to find mentors in your company, especially when smaller, and everyone is remote. I guess to your point, just ask, and there is a right way to ask!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      My job has a formal program in name only but they don’t really do much besides that. Either way, yes I’ve learned much from my young upstarts!

  5. Coming from the other side, it can be incredible scary to ask someone to be a mentor. There are thoughts of doubt and “am I good enough?”. You don’t want to waste their time and you don’t know if they will be the same one-on-one as they are in big groups or in their writing.
    What has gotten me past these thoughts is to realize that those that I look up to are just people too. They put their pants on one leg at a time, just like me! Thanks for all the help Dave!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      So so true. I once got to brief a member of the presidents cabinet. I got to the location early and my boss was already there, he was freaking out. He was sweating and kept asking me “are you ready? do you have it down? are you prepared for this question or that?” I was pretty calm, a seasoned briefer. Eventually I just had to tell my boss, “look, he’s a person, he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like us. It’s all good” The brief went great and my boss laughed at me afterwards 🙂

      • Haha what a great story! I’m glad you were the calm, cool, and collected one. When I was first hired out of school into a company of about 6,500 employees, I saw the CEO at a holiday party waiting in line for a glass of wine. So I put my full glass of beer down and walked over to stand in line to get a glass of wine and start chatting with him. We got interrupted but the conversation ended with us scheduling a follow-up 1 hour meeting in his office later that month. My biggest lesson was that people are never as scary as you think!

  6. Mr Fate says:

    I was fortunate to have have 2 mentors in my professional life who were instrumental in my success (they argue differently which is why they are great mentors). I was also able to pay that forward by being the a mentor for a couple others later in my career. So rewarding.

    That said, I’ve yet to become a mentor outside of my professional life and I love hearing your story and the fact that your writing has made that possible! So cool. I also love this notion of “identity transition” which has been occurring with me for a few years, but now I have a formal term for it. Lots to think about there. Keep up the great work my friend!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Wow not one but two, good for you. I think you could be a great mentor for a kid trying to get in a rock band 🙂

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