I Miss The Power Of Teamwork

On November 26th NASA landed he robot “Insight” on Mars.  Read that again.  They put a robot on Mars

“Didn’t we do that back in the 70’s?”  you may be thinking.  Yes, we did.  We first landed a spacecraft successfully on Mars in 1976 with the Viking lander. 

Let’s be clear, just because that was done in 1976 in no way shape or form makes it easy to do now.  Only 40% of attempted landings have been successful.  This short video explains in very simple terms why landing on Mars is harder than the Moon and even Saturn’s Moon Titan

As they said during the livestream broadcast from NASA, it’s the equivalent of throwing a basketball from Los Angeles and getting it through a net in New York – and not hitting the rim. 

Insight so far is a success.  Here’s the first image taken after they took the lens cap off (apparently NASA has that problem too…)

 

That’s Mars.  Friggin’ Mars.

It boggles my mind what people can do when they put their minds and energy together. 

Those who know my story know that I went part time at my W2 job in October 2017.  I now only work 20 hours a week “for the man”, and spend the rest of my time doing my side hustles and getting reconnected with life. 

I’ve been doing temporary updates about my life after full time W2 work.  Watching the NASA landing live that day made me a bit sad, and prompted this post.

 

Insert Teamwork Cliche Here

I’ll be upfront and honest, a significant part of me misses the “group power” dynamic that a good job can provide.  Watching the Insight landing on NASA TV, I couldn’t help but wish a bit longingly for my days being part of a high-performing team.

Seeing those incredibly smart and talented people at JPL high-fiving each other and going crazy after they confirmed a successful landing on Mars brought back memories of when I was part of a super high-performing team. 

Check out the short video, you can’t help but be happy with them.  Their passion reflects the years of hard work to accomplish what they did.

 

 

Granted I was never part of a team that put a robot on another planet, but I surely did some cool stuff in my career.  Watching that made me realize I miss that kind of close teamwork.

Of course, I can’t just look back longingly on the parts of my career when things went well.  Those times were great for sure. 

But there were just as many times when I was part of a team that was mediocre, even dysfunctional.  And I had to work with quite a few lazy or incompetent people. 

I’d like to say I handled those times well, but it’s a mixed bag.  One of the things that I’m not too proud of is that I tended to focus on the people who didn’t pull their weight or do anything during those times. 

I should have ignored them and focused on my job, and just tried to be best I could be.  Granted those slackers created more work for me, but I inherently know it’s better to direct your energy to being a better version of yourself instead of being angry or resentful at others.

 

We’re All In This Together

I still work two or three days a week at my W2.  When I’m walking in the front doors on those days surrounded by other people dutifully showing up for yet another day, there’s still a mildly comforting feeling of “we’re all in this together”.   

There’s also the feeling that many people there have my back – and they do.  I’ve been at the same place for 23 years, I’d like to think I’ve made some close friendships and trusted relationships.

But I work for the government.  We make tons of mistakes, waste way more taxpayer money than we should, and aren’t up to date on the best technology. 

We always seem to be playing catch up with the private sector.  We’re kind of like the Bad News Bears. 

Yet there’s a certain camaraderie because everyone knows those things, but they still show up every day and do their best to make it better.  There’s an undeniable underdog spirit in the dutiful worker who keeps showing up and trying, knowing the bureaucracy will likely win, but fighting with everything they have nonetheless. 

And when you put that in a group dynamic it builds strong connections.  You look in your teammates eyes and see a weary-eyed backdrop that says “the struggle is real”.  Your backdrop says that too.

 

Strength In Numbers

When you’re struggling to fix things or solve problems with others, there’s comfort in numbers.  And I’m finding out that I miss that aspect of work.  I didn’t like managing people much, but I did like working with other high performing people on a common goal.

My blog and side hustles that now consume much of my freed up time are me, myself, and I.  It’s more lonely for sure, and also more daunting.  Failure will be mine and mine alone.  Not that failure will have real consequences, I’m financially independent and don’t really need the money.

But the driven part of me that wants them to be successful feels naked and out there.  With no teammates to lean on when things are hard, but also none to celebrate the victories with either. 

I do feel part of the personal finance blogger community and FINCON definitely had a lot of camaraderie.  But it’s still different.  In the end, everyone’s pretty much a solo-preneur in that context. 

Sure, we’re all working to help people get their finances in order and spread the FIRE movement.  But I don’t really see a “high-five” moment in that endeavor like in the NASA Insight landing above.  A moment when things come together and something is achieved through hard work and struggle. 

Maybe there will be, I don’t know.  But as I continue this early semi-retirement journey and peel back more layers of the onion, it keeps getting more complex.  I knew it wouldn’t be perfect.  But hey, at least I’m learning more about myself.

How About You AF Readers – Are you part of a strong team at your job and do you enjoy it?  If you’re retired or a freelancer, do you miss being on a team?

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I reached financial independence and semi-retired in my mid-40's through hard work, smart living, and investing. This blog chronicles my journey and explores many aspects of personal finance including the psychological and behavioral factors that drive our habits.

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33 Responses

  1. Xrayvsn says:

    That is one of the downsides of retirement, early or not. The loss of social interaction can be quite challenging as you go from being a part of a team to being just an individual.

    There are ways that you can regain some of that social interaction (joining clubs, group meetings, etc) but it can never fully replace interactions when you have a full time job.

    Hopefully you retire to something that keeps you busy and fulfilled. And if you are married you have a teammate for life (hopefully).

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      It can get isolating. I don’t work well on my side hustles in coffee shops etc as the constant in and out distracts me. but I find myself going more lately simply to have people around.

  2. You know what, I don’t miss it at all. I was in some strong teams and some weak teams. It was fine when I was part of it, but I don’t miss it. Maybe it’d be different if we landed a probe on Mars. I doubt it though.
    I LOVE being a solo-preneur. Going it alone suits my personality perfectly. It’s hard to explain.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      That’s awesome Joe, you’ve found your niche! You seem like the classic introvert. I’m introverted too, but not a super-strong one.

  3. Builder says:

    A few months ago I left a high performing team after years of burnout really started taking its toll. I really do miss the camaraderie, and the shared purpose. The people there were great, but it stopped being worth it.

    Since leaving that position, I’ve downshifted into a much less demanding unit. The people there are good, but it’s not the same.
    To try and stave off the graduation goggles, I focus on what I don’t miss: crazy hours, lack of set schedule, people occasionally trying to kill me.

    That seems to help, but when it doesn’t I try to focus on this:
    Just because you miss something doesn’t mean you should get it back.

    I imagine it’s even harder for you going to part time. Though I’m looking forward to eventually severing the cord of W2 life, I know this part will take some adjustment.

    I’m hoping to continue to get into mountaineering(no where near your level-yet), partially to fill the team/camaraderie gap. Maybe doing some group climbs/expeditions would be a way to have that shared purpose. Have you found anything like that in you journey?

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      “Just because you miss something doesn’t mean you should get it back.”

      So true and thanks for the reminder. That’s a very good way to look at it. Sometimes you’ve gotta just move on.

      As for mountaineering, yes, I have a close-knit group of climbing friends and our camaraderie and teamwork is awesome. I just wish we could climb together more often. Right now we’re trying to plan our winter expeditions and ice-climbing trips, but with everyone’s busy lives it’s hard.

  4. Last night we were watching Scott Harrison of Charity Water being interviewed by Tom Bilyeu. What an inspiration. It jogged a memory of the best project high five moment in my career. I was in a small company and we took over a doomed project that was initially bid for a 1 year and 1 million dollar time/budget. The people on that project were now at 2 years and 2 million, and they quit as the company was purchased by the best leader I’ve ever worked under. He gathered us as the new team and set a schedule that we thought was too ambitious. Yet he had us visualize the truck we were outfitting with equipment driving away and us popping the champagne. With weekly meetings and a true optimism of this happening, he motivated us to find ways around roadblocks and we actually shipped that on the date he described and popped the bubbly at work, a rare moment.

    Yeah, that doesn’t happen anymore now that I’m out of the workplace. Recalling that win, it gave me a desire to have that team effort again. And then I thought, hmm, I think that has occurred in the FI community. As recently as my return from the Greece Chautauqua, JL Collins emailed us and invited us to join in on an effort to join him in a donation for another attendee. An attendee that wasn’t asking for anything, just doing something charitable. And people came through. It was exciting to see the thank you email. And I also think of the Kickstarter for Playing with FIRE, or listening to Paula Pant’s rebuttal podcast to Suze Orman. It’s true we are often alone in this pursuit, but there are some satisfying team wins that are great to be a part of.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      I know from some of your posts that you’ve been on some great teams. And you are correct, I should look more into the FIRE community and try to find more connective tissue. Even solo-preneurs can form high performing teams!

  5. I definitely do feel like we are all in this together. The bonds are long distance. Your work on the podcast with the logos and your being on an episode as well as your encouragement, at least, has made me feel like this is a team project.

  6. drmcfrugal says:

    I would say that I am part of a high performing team at my job. Each team member component contributes a unique strength that adds value to the group. There are maybe one or two bad apples in the mix, but overall.. they have redeeming qualities too.

    That video was awesome. Especially that first secret hand shake style high five. It reminds me of some of the high fives that NBA players do during warm ups and when announcing the starting line up. What an incredible feeling. I am sad that I didn’t see a “Top Gun style” high give to reverse low five. That would have been epic.

    Can I give you a high five when I see you at FinCon next year?

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      YES – let’s come up with a planned “money dork” secret handshake for next FINCON! We’ll show those rocket scientists how it’s done!

  7. i was on a bunch of suboptimal work teams but on some great sports teams. i can work all day long alongside someone i like and i miss that when i was lucky enough to find it. collaboration is awesome.

    we sure find out more about ourselves on this trip called life as we write and are forced to consider things more closely.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      We sure do. I wasn’t on many sports teams but the few I was did have a great camaraderie. Organized sports definitely have benefits

  8. While I’ve been part of teams at work, none of them have ever came close to this sense of accomplishment that you’re speaking of. What I was reminded of reading this post was my days of playing sports in high school and college. There was no more awesome feeing than being able to play, support and celebrate with your teammates during practices and games, and that’s something that’s been missing in my life since I stopped playing.

  9. Katie Camel says:

    My job is all about teamwork, which I love when I work with an awesome team. Fortunately, most days I’m blessed to work with a great group of people, but every day is different. I’m generally assigned to a particular team for most days of the week, but it changes periodically and there’s no guarantee on a day-to-day basis due to the nature of our work (healthcare in a major hospital). While we definitely have rough days, the good days are rewarding and that makes me think I’d feel lonely and somewhat bored if I did retire in a few years. That doesn’t erase wishing I had more free time to do pursue the things I want to pursue or that I had more freedom in general, but I do think I’ll continue to work part-time once I hit FI to diffuse the loss of my team and, really, part of my identity. I’m still aware that there will come a day that I can no longer physically do my job and will have to one day really leave. But I’m not there yet. Regardless, I’m still trying for FI just so that 1) I have the choice to do perform my job with joy and because I want to, and 2) so I can reduce my hours and find more balance with my creative side and family and friends. Thanks for being so honest about what it’s like post-FI!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Wow, that sounds super-unpredictable but that could be fun too. This is one of those cases of “the grass is always greener” I guess. Nothing is perfect, so I’m now exploring new upsides and new downsides.

  10. I work for a very small company, so while we tend to work well together, we *mostly* don’t have this NASA level of teamwork because we do a lot of solo work. You’ve got me thinking about how I can maybe push us along a bit more that path now… 🤔

  11. PFI says:

    It’s so true. Being part of high performance team is amazing in sports and work. On the flip side, there is almost nothing worse than carrying a team, or working with unmotivated negative people. I’m lucky that I’m (mostly) capable of influencing and building the teams I work with. But, I do think it’s one of the powers of financial independence – you have zero motivation to stay in a place with a team that doesn’t motivate you. Nothing but options!

  12. Freedom says:

    Great post Dave and very interesting indeed

    Going solo means indeed losing a team and all the aspects associated with it…

    Being in a team landing something on Mars or searching a cure for cancer has to be very exciting and rewarding

    But how many of people belongs to these teams?

    As human beings we can be motivated and excited also working in a team selling insurances or car parts despite most of our “team members” would love to put a knife in our neck….

    How can anyone miss such team?

    I think people miss the routine…the known vs the unknown, what they perceive “normal” (9-5 in endless meetings) vs giving up a W2

    Some People also miss the jail once they are out…

    Thus congratulations on your part time and enjoy your solo work in the coffee..I am sure many people in awful jobs, stuck in cubicle , humiliated by their bosses, or rottening in meetings rooms discussing about how to screw more margin from customers are envying you right now…:-)

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      “Some People also miss the jail once they are out”

      I’ve actually read about that before and yes, as crazy as it sounds I guess it’s the routine and the structure. Thanks for the great comment and the kudos!

  13. This has got me thinking! Thank you. Am I part of a high powered team…In some areas of my life, yes. In others, no. But maybe its my responsibility to help make my teams more effective. As Jocko Willink says, there are no bad teams, only bad leaders. I have some work ahead of me. I’ve also been trying to find better connections in my social life. I’ve recently joined a Triathlon club and i’m excited to see these folks 1x per week this winter. Its a group I know i have something in common with. I just heard James Clear on the MadFientist podcast, and he mentioned that his best successes usually were tied to some sort of social activity or team accomplishment. I need to make sure these kinds of activities are part of my life.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Ahhh… Jocko. Yes, I’m a fan. I do a big group bike ride every Sunday morning with about 10-20 other folks and we are kind of a team in a way. We feed off each other, race each other, and help each other out. So I am getting some teamwork still in my life. But riding bikes is different than robots on Mars 🙂

  14. great post, and I appreciate the honesty. Traditional jobs give us a feeling of accomplishment, they set a healthy schedule for us, they give us social interaction, and they give you the camaraderie that goes along with the community. So many people ignore how big of a thing it is to replace. The first time I found myself not working, I did it wrong, I am trying to do it better this time. Have you tried any volunteer work or non-profit? I am considering it as I have been told that many of the things above are present but without as much political BS since livelihood is not involved.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      I haven’t tried volunteering yet as I’ve been spending so much time on this blog and my other side hustle, but I know I should. It’s on my list for sure.

  15. GenX FIRE says:

    I think this is the exact reason why people like team sports. That’s part of the fun of watching them, and watching them in stadiums or bars for that matter. People need people, and people working towards a shared goal is an experience that people need.

    I am not close to retirement, but this is a good thing to start thinking about. I have at least one family member who just faded away in retirement. He did not have any interests.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Yes, I when I was young I was never a good enough athlete to be a part of team sports. So I learned teamwork through my job, which is why I’ve been missing it some now. Maybe it’s time to brush off the softball cleats next year!

      • GenX FIRE says:

        I have always been bad as well, but I always played. Baseball was a religion in my family and town; NY Yankee country I wasn’t any good, but I always played. I was a good runner though, for a season or two. I did get that team stuff both there and in the military. There is something about that shared experience, and how much they focus on teams and teamwork.

        It’s really all about the Hero’s Journey. I think it is programmed into all humans, which is why pretty much all of our stories, regardless of culture, follow it.

  16. This post speaks to me. So timely. I’ve been posting with a newfound skepticism of early retirement of late. Mainly because I think there is something to the reward of working with others on a team to accomplish big things. That, and getting out of the house to be around people doesn’t suck either.

    I think much of what saps good people and disrupts good team potential is how we’re set up to work. I’ve been pushing scrum pretty hard of late. And I think the secret sauce that Google stumbled upon a few years back should be more widely applied elsewhere (boils down to creating a safe zone to share vulnerabilities for all team members, and all voices are heard.)

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Yes, getting out of the house is a big deal which I’ve been delaying today 🙂 But I need to force myself to do it. I don’t work as fast or efficiently in coffee shops etc, but the need to be around people is strong with us humanoids.

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