A Real Example Showing Why You Need To Be In The Market
If you’re new to my story, I reached financial independence in my mid 40’s. I started investing money in the stock market in the mid 1990’s after reading Money magazine and realizing mutual funds were pretty simple and easy.
The FIRE movement wasn’t around, and the world wide web was still in it’s adolescent years. So information was limited as compared to today. But overall I made pretty smart decisions for a beginner. I only dabbled in individual stocks sporadically, and after some tough punches I gave it up.
I realized mutual funds were the way to go. But there’s two things I did early on that I now wish I hadn’t.
First, I didn’t go all-in on index funds. I did buy Vanguard’s S&P 500 index fund and made it a substantial part of my portfolio. But I also bought some actively managed funds. You know, the kind with the higher fees that help pay for the $60,000 BMWs of mutual fund managers.
The second thing I wish I hadn’t done is buy those various index funds from a number of different companies. At the time I was using historical data to choose the funds I wanted to buy, not realizing the hassle of getting 1099’s every year from numerous companies.
And of course later on as the internet matured it also meant having to maintain separate passwords for the online sites of those same companies. Let’s face it, it’s a first world problem if ever there was one, but still something I would have done differently if I had a do-over.
Well, in the past 5 years I’ve slowly been selling off those actively managed funds and consolidating my assets into my Vanguard account. Everything I’m referring to is in taxable accounts, which is why I’ve been doing it slowly.
I have to pay significant capital gains taxes on the money when I sell these funds to move them since they’ve all done very well over the years. So I’ve been selling one every year to minimize the total tax hit.
And the big news is, I just sold my last one. I’ve had money in T. Rowe Price’s Growth Stock Fund since May of 1997, and I just cashed it out and moved the money over to Vanguard. I have no more money in actively managed funds!
How Did It Do?
I made an initial investment of $3500 in May of 1997 in the T. Rowe Price Growth Stock fund. And in mid January I received a check for $23,450.00.
It actually peaked at $26,900 last September before the market started going down. But I had already cashed out another fund last calendar year and didn’t want to sell two funds in one year which would substantially increase my tax bill.
Plus, the fund has been performing well, especially in recent years. It’s a growth stock fund, meaning it has a bit of a higher risk profile. This means it invests in fast growing and higher risk companies.
When the overall market is having an up year, funds like this will usually beat it. And when the market has a down year, these funds usually go down even more. Let’s see how it did compared to the S&P 500 and to it’s benchmark of growth stock funds during the time I held it.
Year | TRP Growth Stock Fund | Benchmark Avg. | S&P 500 |
1997 | 26.57% | 26.36% | 33.36% |
1998 | 27.41% | 34.55% | 28.58% |
1999 | 22.15% | 38.87% | 21.04% |
2000 | 0.27% | -13.05% | -9.10% |
2001 | -9.79% | -22.30% | -11.89% |
2002 | -23.00% | -27.64% | -22.10% |
2003 | 31.23% | 28.66% | 28.68% |
2004 | 10.24% | 7.81% | 10.88% |
2005 | 6.56% | 6.71% | 4.91% |
2006 | 14.05% | 7.05% | 15.79% |
2007 | 10.37% | 13.35% | 5.49% |
2008 | -42.26% | -40.67% | -37.00% |
2009 | 43.25% | 35.68% | 26.46% |
2010 | 16.93% | 15.53% | 15.06% |
2011 | -0.97% | -2.46% | 2.11% |
2012 | 18.92% | 15.34% | 16.00% |
2013 | 39.20% | 33.92% | 32.39% |
2014 | 8.30% | 10.00% | 13.69% |
2015 | 10.85% | 3.60% | 1.38% |
2016 | 1.41% | 3.23% | 11.96% |
2017 | 33.63% | 27.67% | 21.83% |
2018 | -1.03% | -6.78% | -4.38% |
So the fund outperformed the S&P 500 thirteen times in 22 years, losing to it nine times. And it outperformed its benchmark average 15 times in 22 years, losing to it seven times.
Here are some data, T. Rowe Price Growth Stock’s ticker symbol is PRGFX.
It’s actually done pretty well, and continually been one of the higher ranked funds in its class. The S&P 500 calculators tell me the same $3500 invested in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested would have ‘only’ earned me around $17,500.
So as compared to the market in general I’ve done very well. Much of that difference is because the Growth Stock Fund paid substantial dividends over the years, which were reinvested and increased my number of shares annually.
Why would I sell with these great results? I’d like to consolidate to Vanguard as I mentioned. And as I get older I’d like to slowly reduce my risk, and this fund has a higher risk profile.
The Fees
Remember that this fund is actively managed, which comes with a price.
What is that price? The net expense ratio is .67%, so for instance with the balance of $23,450 that I cashed out I paid a fee of $156.41.
To compare, VTSAX has a net expense ratio of .04%, so that same $23,450 in VTSAX would only cost me a $9.38 fee. Big difference. That $145 difference invested every year compounds, big time.
The expense ratio was even higher in the past, and like most funds it has come down over the years. Needless to say I lost a lot of money over the years to fees. Not so much the fee itself, but the loss of the compounding that the fee would have given me.
Had I invested in a growth stock index fund in May of 1997 I would assuredly had better results, mostly because of the lower fees.
This chart from Investopedia shows how much higher expense ratios can take away from your earnings over time.
That’s okay though, in the grand scheme of things I did very well.
The bottom line is I sent T. Rowe Price a check for $3500 (yes it was a paper check back then in 1997), and 21 years later they gave me back $23,450. And that was with two recessions in between.
Win.
I’ll owe Uncle Sam one or two grand in capital gains taxes next year, but let’s be real, that’s a good problem to have. And if I complain in any way shape of form I should be smacked across the face.
So for all you young folks reading this, look at those numbers. Save your money and invest it in the market. I know, 21 years is a long time and you think I’m old. So be it.
But 21 years will happen to you, and you’ll be my age one day. The market is there for you. Get in, the water is nice.
Great job investing back then when, as you said, the internet was in its infancy and there was not a ton of information to help you decide what to put it in.
As far as active funds go, sounds like you did get lucky and picked a good one to have. I totally get wanting to eliminate active funds and reduce the number of companies you have money in as it does make life simpler.
Thanks Doc, I agree that luck played a pretty big part of my pick
Great job and post Dave…!
Out of curiosity…what do you suggest for
1) someone who is right now heavily invested in single stocks (with some substantial gains…for example in FAANG?)
2) someone sitting on 100-200K$ cash
I see many opinions out there on this subject
thanks
Well it’s not my place to advise you how to invest your money. All I would say is that FAANG stocks are higher risk, and VTSAX is lower risk (as compared to just the FAANG). You seem to have a high risk tolerance with FAANG, but a very low risk one with 100-200k in cash. Probably best to balance that out. But as a reminder to read my disclosure and realize I’m not a financial advisor and this is not professional advice 🙂
Congrats on riding yourself of those funds and fees!
When people talk about making more money with managed funds they never seem to offer an analysis of how that happens. I wonder why. It must be true for some small percentage of investors but I tend to think the managers just got lucky.
Thanks Mrs. Groovy, I agree the fund manager probably has a had a great streak of luck, with some skill mixed in.
well done, sir. 97, 98, and 99 were great years to get started with that 3500 for sure. there is a transfer in kind that is often available that wouldn’t trigger the capital gains, but if you’ve done well like you have you’ll likely have to pay the tax at some point in life. that’s the cost of successful investing i suppose. the guy who does our taxes every year always told me owing some taxes is a good problem to have and that means you made money.
Yeah I started in the crazy .dom exuberance days. But the fund still survived two huge downturns and the oughts which sucked. And very true – ya gotta pay the man at some point!
Congrats- you made some good decisions early on, and picked an active fund that actually outperformed. I wish someone could shake me and tell me “index funds only!” when I started investing ~15 years ago. I guess we learn as we go along.
We do learn, and I’m glad I got mostly lucky!
Very interesting comparison. You say “much of that difference is because the Growth Stock Fund paid substantial dividends over the years”. Having larger dividends in a taxable account can also be a problem for many people. In fact, I have heard of people buying Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway in a taxable account, specifically because there are no dividends. And in that case also there would be absolutely no fees with lots of diversification.
You bring up a big issue with the choices people make on taxable accounts. They require much more strategy to sell in later years due to taxes, so you have to make better decisions from the get-go.
Good point about the dividends. I did indeed pay pretty substantial taxes on those over the years. Every year I got a 1099 from T. Rowe Price and had to add the dividends to my income. Uncle Sam had his grubby hand out and took his part, every year.
But in the end that’s all good. I have substantial money in taxable accounts because I had always maxed out my tax-sheltered stuff and still had money to invest. And in those accounts, you’re going to have to pay the man at some point…. unless you use shady offshore schemes or stuff that I have no interest in.
I’m anxiously awaiting all my 1099s, so I relate to this issue. Unlike you, I haven’t been able to transfer all my investments over to Vanguard, but I wish I could. (Too many passwords!!!) At this point, I don’t really want to go through the hassle, though I may reconsider somewhere down the line. I’ve had some good runs with stocks and some not-so-great runs with both stocks and mutual funds, so I appreciate the ease of handing everything over to Vanguard index funds these days.
If you spread the hassle out like I did it eases the pain, and the tax pain. I’ve been selling 1 a year now for 4 years and now I’m done!
I was your age one day. Seems like a long time ago. Wink. Good post, good strategy to consolidate. I’m thinking of selling any of my assets with K-1’s, I hate waiting for them until mid-March.
It wasn’t THAT long ago dude!
Nice performance Dave. Time plus compounding plus dividend reinvestment are a powerful force. I’m in the T Rowe Price Capital Appreciation Fund (PRWCX) and it’s done pretty well over the years.
Thanks, I also didn’t mention that I partly picked T. Rowe Price because they’re a Baltimore company and I wanted to support them. Not a strategy I’d recommend but it worked out for me.
Me like this post a lot!!! Well done, my friend.
Thanks Groovester!
Great post Dave! I actually just started blogging myself about my own personal finance and I can definitely relate to this post. I’m currently a recent grad who just started my first job so learning how to invest and save are definitely at the top of mind. I think these posts can show how even small fees that my seem minuscule can really add up.
Sweet, you’re starting so young you’re practically guaranteed to win!
That’s the power of compounding. Nice job doing nothing! 🙂
I don’t have anything like that lying around. Everything has been consolidated several times.
Also, my first few investments were terrible. The “financial advisor” sold us some crappy funds that didn’t perform well at all. Live and learn…
“Nice job doing nothing” That really sums it up, it’s pretty darn sweet!
Thanks for the real life example. And yes paying taxes is good, it means you’re making money. The process of locking in those gains is important too. Congrats on beating the S&P!
Thanks!
Consolidating investments into one index fund is such a good feeling, like cleaning the house and purging to live minimally. 🙂
It’s kind of a Kondo-ing of my finances, except I’m not throwing any money out 🙂
Best advice is to start investing yesterday!
Yup!
Hey, you may have paid some fees, but that performance is nothing to sneeze at… You did it without any effort on your part, which makes it especially impressive!
I wish the funds I’d invested in back in those days did as well as yours! Like you, mine took a lot of fees, but essentially provided no return. As you can imagine, I’m a little less positive about actively managed funds because of it.
Everyone’s experience is different I guess!
I know, I kind of feel like an oracle 😉
Dave, I’ve been consolidating all accounts to Fidelity in the last 5 years too. Do you fear security breach for just having 1 account vs spreading wealth to 2 accounts so you can still access your money?
It’s something I thought of but I think we’re pretty covered if that happens (I hope). I’d worry more about having multiple accounts and using a service like Mint or Personal Capitol and giving one of those sites ALL of your username and password combos. That to me seems more risky since a breach would require you to lock down and secure accounts from multiple entities.