Sunken Costs And Stubbornness

We had just partied like it was 1999.  I was coming up on 3 years into my investing career, and even though I mostly had mutual funds, I still liked the idea of researching and picking a winning stock.

Having been taught the value of hard work as a child, I was convinced that enough study of earnings data and PE ratios would lead me to winning stocks. 

If these regular jabronies can pick winning stocks, I can surely pick winning-er stocks. 

Ahh.. youth.

Everyone wants to think they’re smarter than others, and I’m no different.  Additionally, I’m stubborn as a bull.  Not always a good quality as you’ll see.

Remember that 1999 was approaching the peak of dotcom bubble madness.  The age of irrational exuberance.  If you didn’t live through it as an investor, it’s really hard to explain what it was like, and how easy it was to get caught up in the madness.

The possibilities of the digital age were unfolding before our eyes.  We had Star Trek phones!  Computers, and more importantly the internet, we’re going to solve mankind’s woes.  And any company connected to this rapidly evolving Utopia was a sure winner.

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I mean, computers even created cool problems that they subsequently fixed.  There was nothing they couldn’t do!

No company was more ingrained in the workings of the internet than Cisco.  I had done my research.  The internet ran on Cisco switches and routers, and they’re still a powerhouse today.  Along with Intel, Dell, and Microsoft, they were chiseled on the Mount Rushmore of technology in the year 2000.

Their numbers were pretty good, which is of course a relative term in the times that were talking about.  Back then a PE ratio of 35 or even 40 was considered to be pretty normal and almost a good bargain if it was a technology company (I know, nuts). 

I followed their earnings reports, and they beat expectations quarter after quarter.  What was not to love?

Then in March 2000 their stock split again – it had been splitting around every 9 or 10 months and damn, just missed it!  I had been ready to pull the trigger on buying some and I just missed a crucial split. 

Well, their will surely be another soon….. This train ain’t slowing!

So in April 2000 I plopped down $5,000 on Cisco shares.  That kind of money was far from trivial for me at the time.  This wasn’t “play money”.  It was my way to start the new century fresh and a bit bold.  I mean, I wasn’t going to have a chance to start another new century, this was my shot.  And what do you know it was all downhill from there.

 

Well That Didn’t Work

As if on queue, the tech bubble started to burst.  I literally hadn’t even gotten the paper statements back from Charles Schwab yet in the mail when things started to tank.  Fast. 

For you younger folks, yes, we did the trades online but they still always confirmed in paper back in those days.  And there were still wooly mammoth roaming the plains…

How did Cisco fare when the tech bubble burst?  Well, like you might expect.  About one year after my purchase it had gone from $75 a share to $24 a share. 

Ouch. 

But this is THE INTERNET.  It keeps expanding.  And it can’t operate without Cisco!  It’s a sure bet, just let it recover from the crash!

So I held.  Remember, I was smarter than other folks.  It’ll come back.

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Time went on.  It went up, it went down.  As the decade moved on I fell right into the sunken cost trap.  My stubbornness, the time I already had invested in the stock, and the fact that it was such a great company combined as a force that prevented me from selling. 

It’ll come back and I’ll get the last laugh. 

Then the market crash of 2008 happened.  Everything tanked.  I knew better than to sell in that hot mess, I held everything.  Waited it out.  Turns out of course that was the right move, at least with my other investments. 

I knew the market would recover, and when it did Cisco would surely shoot to the stars.  Alas, the market came shooting back, but Cisco didn’t. 

By then I had had enough.  I was like a defeated boxer laying in the corner, trying to grab the ropes and get back up.  But then I just said eff-it, I’m done.  I laid back down.

 

Stubbornness Is Expensive

The sunken cost trap is a real thing, and powerful.  Especially for us stubborn folks.  I’m used to plugging away at anything hard enough to get my way.  Persistence pays off in life.  But persistence can’t force a stock price up. 

In the end I sold it and got back $2400 of my $5000 investment, but over 10 YEARS later.  Take a look at the disaster. 

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Let’s do the math, shall we?  

Had I put my initial $5000 in VTSAX in April 2000, by May 2010 when I sold my Cisco stock it would have grown to $10,750

And I sold for $2400.  That’s a stubbornness loss of $8350

Did that break me? No, I was plugging money religiously into my mutual funds all those years and learned to stop trying to pick stocks.  But it still hurts.  I mean, eight grand is a good chunk of money.  If you saw it laying on the street I’m pretty sure you’d pick it up. 

I learned some valuable lessons from this. 

  • First, stop trying to pick stocks.  For me, this was the last nail in the coffin on individual stocks.  I realized that for me and my style (laziness) index funds are the way to go and require virtually no time or effort. 
  • Stop being so stubborn.  Step back and be objective.  Reassess things from time to time and get out of your locked mindset.  
  • ACT – don’t be lazy!  I think part of me just let those shares sit there because I didn’t feel like dealing with it.  A few years after they tanked I had become a completely lazy index investor and didn’t feel like going through the process of selling and figuring out all the numbers on my taxes in the following year.  I had many other priorities in life at that point.  I know, pathetic! 
  • If you do choose to play individual stocks, know when to fold ’em and take your loss.  Hope and persistence don’t bring share prices up.  Remember a loss isn’t the end of the world, its also a tax write-off.

Ok readers, your turn – do you have any sunken cost stories.  Investments or otherwise?

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  1. My first rental properties were like that. I made terrible investments, and then held them through crashes even though they ended up negatively cashflowing. It was a decade before I let my rotten apples go and just took the loss.
    Don’t get me wrong, I wholeheartedly believe in rentals, and my business revolves around helping mom-and-pop landlords succeed. But that doesn’t mean you can’t invest in them badly, just like with stocks.
    Sunk cost fallacy is a doozy!

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      So a decade for you too huh? Yep… The spiral of sunk cost is like a Tractor Pull of gravity

  2. that arrogance and ego bit me more than once. i swear what hurts even worse is selling 100% of a holding only to watch it skyrocket. i held lending tree (TREE) about 10 years ago around 17 or 18 bucks. it was only a couple of thousand worth of shares, but about 7 years after i sold for a small profit i looked up and it was over 300 a share. still feels like 40000 down the drain! that being said i still buy individual stocks as i don’t want the exposure to the dogs like the big banks, oil drillers, and miners. it’s not for everyone but i bought a newsletter to help guide me to some very good buys.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      That happened to me as well but not as bad. I held Intel and sold and made a little bit of money on it but thought it was getting too high. It just kept going up, and even faster. I was too afraid to get back in. Individual stocks are just too much work

  3. Oh ya, I had some doozies in the oil industry with their company stocks when my career was in that line of work. Things tanked in 2014 and in 2015 I figured it would rebound like all the oil recessions prior and bought 4 oil stocks in companies I knew and worked locally with. I figured they would all rebound, well it’s almost half way through 2018 and they are still bad and one went under. I pulled out in 2017 and ended my losses, moving them over to my index funds and will never do individual company stocks again.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Amen to that. I’m done with stocks. But I do like reading blogs like Mr. Tako since he is very thorough with his research and I enjoy his writing about it

  4. Half Life Theory says:

    These days, even with all the information out there, people still think they can outperform the market. They know better than everyone else. Luckily, i get to learn from others mistakes at a young age, and hopefully never get too arrogant as to think I’m an investing whiz, because i am definitely not.

    At least you my friend we’re actually looking at earnings reports. Which is far more than i can say for many others speculating today! Thanks for the friendly reminder!

    Cheers!

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Yeah it was sooo easy to get caught up in the hype back in those days. I was a classic victim, but thankfully I didn’t bet the house!

  5. Joe says:

    I had a bunch of Intel stocks and options. My friends worked at Cisco and MSFT.
    It was a crazy time. Those internet related stocks just shot up too high.
    To top it off, I transferred most of my 401k into Intel. That was a tough lesson to learn. At least it wasn’t Enron.

    • Doc G says:

      I totally got killed by the tech bubble. Now seems funny but it didn’t then. Now in solely broad based indexes. Solves that issue.

      • Accidental FIRE says:

        Thankfully I didn’t bet all my money on it back then. In my stock buying days I probably broke even or lost a tad. When you pick a winner the endorphin rush is great, but like any drug it will turn on you

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      I had Intel and made a bit of money but sold when I thought it was too high. It kept going up, but I was too scared to get back in. By then my Cisco loss was registered and I was spending waaaay too much time trying to find new stocks. Time is money!

      At least it wasn’t Enron indeed!

  6. Susan @ FI Ideas says:

    I bought my first individual stock in March of 1999. Ticker UBET, which is Youbet.com. A double bet on a dot com stock that allows people to bet on online horse racing out of Santa Ana. I didn’t look at, or understand fundamentals. Hey it said “dot com”, so it was a sure “bet”. I put in $3000 at $20 and sold about a year and a half later at $4 before they went completely under. At least I had the will to avoid that sunk cost embarrassment. I admitted being a fool and started again.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Online gambling – those were the wild days!! You were “sin investing”! I never heard of that one, UBET. But as you remember they were starting up every hour and there were 10 IPO’s a day.

      Those were the days Susan… a new century and an exploding stock market. At least you were smarter than me and sold 🙂

  7. Been there done that. Mine was a search engine stock called inktomi. It went to a buck a share merger with yahoo. I bought at 15 something.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      I remember Inktomi! Back it the days of AOL, AltaVista, and Lycos. Remember those? Seems soooo long ago

  8. Ugh. I almost don’t want to comment on this one because it feels to familiar right about now!! I am currently going through a sunken cost situation – FTR stock. I want to transition to more index funds but it’s the whole when to pull the trigger thing, when you have some that aren’t doing well. I felt like you were writing to me. :-). Haha

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Depending on how bad it is, you should probably consider taking the loss. I have to admit, I didn’t put it in the post, but the loss I recorded from that Cisco sale took a nice chunk off my taxes the following year. It helps.

      Glad you could identify with the post, I think? 😉

  9. My dad has always encouraged me to research into stocks, probably as a way to get interested in investing. I have one high dividend paying stock which I’m holding onto, but it’s never really been my style. (Probably because I’m lazy 😂)

    I’m thinking my investing strategy will mostly be through index funds (and a rental property or two) as well, though I have to admit when I read all the dividend growth investor blogs I get very intrigued by their strategies as well.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Yes the dividend folks can be intriguing, but I always think to myself “how much time are they spending researching this stuff? And constantly checking prices?”

      If you really like stocks then maybe that would be a fun thing, but not for me

  10. We must be the same jabroni because I did something similar with a pharmaceutical stock. I thought I was sooooooo smart and even when it did bounce back to almost what I paid for it (before a bigger sell off happened) I told myself, “Haaa, I was right, I’m not letting gooo, I’m so smartttt.” Good thing my husband sold it off and cut my losses for me. I lost $700 and that was put towards tax loss. Lesson learned!

    (We have Cisco that we paid $34/share for, my husband wasn’t so sure about them. They’re pretty out dated.)

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      What a jabroni move 😉

      The tax loss does help though, my Cisco loss took a good chunk off my taxes the following year. And yes, they’re an ‘older’ company in relative terms but their switches and routers still power most of the internet. They just didn’t make me any money

  11. I’m feeling this way about Disney right now. While no dramatic losses, it’s barely moved.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Well, if you go to FINCON this fall you can march down there and tell them to get their act together!!

  12. Honestly, the timing there was probably as good as it could have been. It was enough to hurt (at the time), but then you learned and didn’t make that kind of mistake with much bigger dollars in the subsequent recession.

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      Yeah, going “all-in” would have been a disaster. I love how you help put a happy-spin on it! 😉

  13. I am sincerely glad I learned about index funds before I started investing in earnest (too late for me to do anything about my 401(k) from my first job but I’ve also since rolled that over and into index funds). I am absolutely too lazy to do much research and also have no confidence in my abilities to pick the “right” stocks. I have a feeling if I actually had to expend any energy I wouldn’t have started investing outside of my retirement account at all!

    • Accidental FIRE says:

      You have no idea how much of a head start you have on not only the clueless “average American”, but even on people who are doing better than average. Just keep your eyes on the prize 😉

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