Okay FIRE Noob, This Is Your First Big Quiz

Okay FIRE Noob, This Is Your First Big QuizIf you are new to the financial independence or FIRE movement in the past 10 years you are now taking your first quiz.  This isn’t a test really, it’s a quiz. 

Sure, the markets dropped about 15% percent last week alone which has been one of the fastest in history.  But I don’t really consider this a full test yet. 

They roared back up 5% yesterday (Monday the 2nd) but it’s clear we’re in for a rodeo ride.

The decline and volatility have nothing to do with the actual numbers or financial health behind public companies, they’re about fear of a pandemic. 

I’m not trying to diminish the risk or to say that the fear is not real.  And whether or not COVID-19 will become a real pandemic is far above my pay grade.  The opinions of the experts are out there and I highly recommend you read them.  It might go real far to quell your own fear, if you have any.

But the emotions and actions related to preparing for a potential pandemic are very disruptive, as we see in the markets.  When it comes to the market and its relation to public fear, it seems there’s only two settings: complacency and doomsday.

 

Too Much Information

The World Health Organization has called the epidemic of misinformation about COVID-19 that’s spreading rapidly through social media platforms and other outlets an “infodemic”Never before have we been able to spread fear and bad information so quickly to so many.

I’m not going to lie, this is not fun to watch.  I’m also not going to be one of those smug folks who’s posting gifs or blogging about how it’s awesome because everything is on sale.  I did, however, make my 2020 Roth IRA contribution of $6,000 yesterday, and it’s going into the market. 

But I get it, it really sucks to see your investments plummet.  The fear and anxiety are real for many.  I remember it vividly from the 2000 tech bubble crash and from the 2008 to 2009 crash.  So, here’s some perspective. 

From August of 2000 to September of 2002, the S&P 500 declined 46.2%.  It didn’t get back to the level it was at in August 2000 until 6 years and 9 months later.

Okay FIRE Noob, This Is Your First Big Quiz

We just lost about 15% in a week.  Imagine it going down another 31.2% slowly over the next 2.5 years.  That would make it late summer 2022, and you’d be 46.2% down from the January 2020 highs.

Scared yet?  No?  It gets worse… 

Now imagine it’s 6 years from now, March 2026.  We still don’t have flying cars and coffee is still bad for you and good for you at the same time according to the latest “science”.  You grab your virtual reality glasses and command them to show your portfolio.  And even though things in the market have been going up, they’re still not quite back to the level they were in January 2020. 

But in December 2026 they finally make it back – woo-hoo! 

Then, a mere 5 months later in May 2027 a bigger crash happens.  And this time it doesn’t get back to those January 2020 levels until 2032, about 6 more years. 

Am I being ridiculous and alarmist?  No, that’s what happened to me and anyone who was invested in August 2000.  

Okay FIRE Noob, This Is Your First Big Quiz

Twelve and a half years later, in February 2013, the S&P 500 finally – for a second time – reached the level it was at in August 2000.

That’s what you have to be prepared for.  That’s the test.

I’m in no way saying that’s what’s going to happen.  But that did happen.  To me, and everyone else who was in the market then.  It kinda sucked. 

So if you’re freaking out and considering selling after one week of a 15% decline you might want to consider whether the market is right for you.  Because it’s entirely plausible that the S&P 500 might not get back to the level we just saw until the year 2032

I just showed that it happened before, in this young century.

 

Breathe

So, young FIRE noob, how are you doing?  I certainly hope you’ve practiced what you preach and have not sold your investments in panic.  Just breathe. 

If you believe, as you should, that your money will eventually come back, you should think of your decline in net worth as a loan.

I update my net worth on the last day of every month, and in February I was down 4.8%.  That’s not bad at all.  Yes with my substantial net worth it’s a shit-ton of money to be frank, but as I’ve showed I’ve been through way worse.

Hold the course.  Trust me.  You are young.  If you are reading this and you are not young, then panic!

Haha, kidding.  But if that’s the situation I would assume that you’re already smart and are not too heavily weighted in equities anyway.

Again, this is merely a quiz.  When the actual test comes – and it will come –  it’s going to be way harder, and it’s going to drag out for years.  Practice now, be ready.

And remember that the great companies that comprise our market are the same companies they were a month ago.  This correction is not because of their earnings numbers or because they stopped innovating, it’s because of the fear of a disease. 

Your turn – how are you doing financial warriors?  Are you passing the quiz?  Chime in below!

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Dave @ Accidental FIRE

I reached financial independence and semi-retired in my mid-40's through hard work, smart living, and investing. This blog chronicles my journey and explores many aspects of personal finance including the psychological and behavioral factors that drive our habits.

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26 Responses

  1. xrayvsn says:

    Last year I had started de-risking my portfolio, going from about 70% equities down to 40%. It definitely lessened the damage this last week had. Even though the dollar amount was high it could have been way worse for me. I was never inclined to panic sell and stayed the course.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Well you timed that move pretty well. I did some de-risking too but not nearly as much as that. Kudos

  2. 5 AM Joel says:

    A friend of mine panic-sold last week. He believes he can time the market. I asked him to show me his skills with this fun game… (https://engaging-data.com/market-timing-game/) Put him right in his place. 🙂

  3. Ah, wonderful memories. Smiles. I started my career in 1985, and was starting to make “real money” by 2000. In hindsight, I was fortunate to be plugging away my 401(k) max every year through that downhill curve of the roller coaster, and never sold a stock through the entire bear. The best thing that can happen to someone while they’re still earning money is to have that kind of a bear market while they’re dollar cost averaging their portfolio. What a great memory!

    This time around, it’s different. I retired in 2018, and am relying on my Bucket Strategy to survive the roller coaster ride. With confidence from previous downturns, and knowing I can go ~8+ years without selling a single stock, I hope I look back at the next bear market with the same comforting hindsight I have toward the 2000’s. Thanks for the walk down memory lane, good for folks who didn’t live it to understand what it was really like, and you did a marvelous job in laying it out.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Same here man, the only thing that kept my net worth rising (slowly) in those 2000’s was diligently plowing lots of money away. Then when the 10 year bull market hit I was locked and loaded with lots of shares. That experience will serve me well this next go round.

  4. Lisa says:

    I really don’t have any fear or panic regarding the market falling and turning around (even if it takes years), but I did make the decision to divert some of my monthly investment funding into my emergency cash fund just to shore it up a bit in case there is a recession. Although I’m not currently using the money I have in investments, I don’t want to have to cash it out when the value is down because of an emergency. When I feel like my fund is at a comfortable (for me) level, I’ll re-engage with my investments.

  5. i want everybody to remember that your investment decisions don’t have to be and should not be binary. if you’ve had a good year you can turn a few percent to cash if you like. you don’t have to be all in or all out of the stock market. even if you’re young it’s never a horrible idea to have some cash. what if there is a real recession and you lose your job? what are you going to spend to live? i’m just sayin’. asset allocation matters.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      So true Freddy. Thankfully I did move some equities to cash in early January, so the hit wasn’t as bad for me. My bonds did very well in Feb because that’s how it works, so only being down 4.8% is because of my diversification.

  6. Oof. 2032. Good news is the kiddo won’t even be graduated from high school at that point, so we’re good.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      By then we’ll all have chips embedded in our brains telling us when to buy and sell..

  7. Pete says:

    I’m old enough to have experienced the dot com and great recession. No worries then at all. Still no worries today. For my wife and me the key is that we are willing to adjust our retirement date based on the market. We’re still at least 10 years out anyway. I suppose a fear of missing out keeps us always heavily invested in stocks.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      “no worries” is a great attitude to have, especially when you’re pretty young. I’m still in my 40’s and put myself in that category, especially since I fully plan to live past 100 🙂

  8. Aren’t you a ray of sunshine Dave! LOL.

    Appreciate all the information you’ve presented and especially your humorous mini comments on the graph. Very insightful data and we need to remind ourselves, over the long run the stock market historically provides returns averaging 10%.

    Keep up the good work!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      I aim for sunshine 🙂

      The modern world is so fast, I just thought it’d be good to remind the younger folks that something like this can go on for years. Perspective is important

  9. Wait !!!! what !!!
    Coffee is bad for me ?
    🙂 great post man

  10. IMO, the market has a lot more room to drop. The coronavirus will hit the US really hard. Workers don’t stay home when they’re sick. Kids are sent to school because parents can’t stay home. The healthcare system is screwed up. How many people can afford 2 weeks of quarantine or getting real care at the hospital. I foresee many bankruptcies in the coming days. I hope we can contain it, but I’m not optimistic.
    Market down is okay. It’s a good chance to average down.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      We’ll see, it’s anybody’s guess. And with an election year on top of it we’re in for an adventure. I realize your area has been affected a lot with almost all of the deaths in the PNW so I imagine the fear is higher out there.

  11. steveark says:

    I’m more worried about when they try to start up that Large Hadron Collider. We’ll all get sucked into a black hole! Oh wait…that didn’t happen.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      I gotta be honest, that thing scares me. They already found the Higgs, just leave it be for crying out loud…

  12. The length of time from trough to peak isn’t entirely true because Yahoo ignores the effect of dividends. Most other charting services have a total return. For future reference.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Well it is true for the stock price, which is what I am discussing. I was aware of of Yahoo’s charts and that’s why I was showing and discussing the market prices specifically, and not referring to a hypothetical investment portfolio across that time which would include dividends. The intent of the post is to give newcomers who follow market levels an idea how long this can last. It could be done with a hypothetical investment portfolio as well and in that case it’s best to use a chart with dividends, assuming they get reinvested.

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