When Motivation Ends, Discipline Begins

When Motivation Ends, Discipline BeginsPrior to the COVID-19 pandemic I mostly ran without music.  Quiet attunes you to your body, breathing, pace, and the surrounding environment.  And seemingly half of drivers out there are piloting their death boxes while playing on their cellphones, so it’s crucial to hear everything.

But after a month of pandemic living, I found it harder to find the stoke to run.  All races have been canceled and I often use races for motivation.  The couch is always calling, the never-ending allure of the easy life and sloth.  So I started running with music again to get motivated. 

On a recent run one of my favorite songs came on, “Mistake Pageant” from the Scottish rock band Idlewild.  The song just pumps me up.  Next thing you know I’m running a 7:00 mile pace effortlessly, high on adrenaline.  Ugh.

Why was that bad?  Most of my training runs are between an 8-9 minute mile pace and I didn’t want to be going that hard, it messes up my training. 

The whole thing made me reflect on motivation, and how powerful – and limited – it is.  

 

That Didn’t Last

After my favorite song ended I went back to my normal pace, and it felt hard.  I find it amazing how something as simple as a song can juice a persons body up and put everything on overdrive.  Music is motivation. 

We all see images of athletes entering stadiums in their street clothes with headphones on, getting motivated to do battle with their favorite jams.  Major League Baseball players on most teams can even request what song clip gets played on the stadium PA as they come up to bat to give them that extra kick. 

What’s the problem with this?  The motivation is external, that’s the problem.  Listen to king of all badasses David Goggins explain it in this 1 minute video.

 

Another way of saying it is “That song ain’t gonna help you when you’re getting your ass kicked out on the field. Your headphones won’t save you when you can’t have them.”

As Goggins says, it should be about the internal. 

The internal is where motivation ends, and discipline begins.

 

Tag Team

When Motivation Ends, Discipline BeginsYou can’t really fail at motivation.  You either have it or you don’t.  And when you don’t, you look to something external to get it.  It could be music, a race on the calendar, a bet with a friend. 

How many people try to lose weight for their wedding day only to gain it all back after the big day?  They got the motivation from the wedding, but didn’t transfer it to discipline. 

Discipline is basically the ability to self-motivate.  You can fail at discipline.

Motivation and discipline can work together in a dynamic duo of ass-kicking.  Motivation is the spark to launch a new project, idea, or hobby.  It can get you energized and stoked to conquer new things. 

But that motivation comes from excitement and emotion, and will wither

Imagine motivation and discipline as a wrestling team.  When motivation wanes, and it will, that’s when it needs to crawl to the ropes and tag discipline to get in the ring and take over. 

Discipline lays the foundation for the long haul.  Discipline is what makes your new thing a habit, part of who you are and what you do.  And yes, discipline sometimes wanes too and needs relief in the ring. 

I feel I’ve built tremendous discipline in the realm of diet and exercise in my life.  But I’m human, and sometimes weak.  So when my discipline starts to get weak, as it did when I lost the will to run in April, then it tags motivation to come in the ring and pick things up for a while. 

That’s when I started running with music again.  I lost some of my discipline, and used motivation to get it back.

 

Yes This Is Still A Personal Finance Blog

When Motivation Ends, Discipline BeginsWhat the hell does this have to do with your money?  It’s really important to know the difference between motivation and discipline to get to financial independence, or to simply start getting your money life in order. 

You may have gone to FINCON before and met a bunch of really successful and awesome personal finance heroes.  It got you all fired up.  Then you came home and started to make changes. 

But a month later you found yourself going back to your old ways, spending too much, not budgeting, not exercising.  That goal of financial independence suddenly appeared like a faint speck of light at the end of a depressingly long tunnel.  

The motivation was external, it came from outside of you.  It faded, as it always does.  It’s still a good thing and useful, but you have to pull that motivation inside and make it an internal driver in your life.  

That’s when it can magically transform to discipline.  That’s when good habits get started that are unbreakable.  It’s the magic step to become what you want to be.

 

Get To It

I have no running or cycling races on my calendar right now, that never happens.  All canceled.  Those external sources of motivation are gone. 

But I’ve survived and arguably thrived during this pandemic and am still in really great shape because I built the discipline. 

I’m not going to lie, it’s been hard at times.  I had to resort to different kinds of external motivation to pick up the slack for my sometimes failing discipline.  But knowing how to use both, and when one needs to pick up the slack for the other, has so far pulled me through.  

They’re a great tag team.

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I reached financial independence and semi-retired in my mid-40's through hard work, smart living, and investing. This blog chronicles my journey and explores many aspects of personal finance including the psychological and behavioral factors that drive our habits.

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27 Responses

  1. I was just having a conversation about this exact topic with one of my training partners yesterday. We were getting ready to deadlift and just stared at the heavy barbell. There was no motivation there, just the discipline to come day in day out and get shit done. Motivation is what will get you started. Discipline is what will keep you going.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Been there, done that. Standing in front of a barbell or my kettlebell and just not feeling it. Sometimes I go through the motions, I figure it’s better than nothing. As long as I don’t get hurt.

  2. “Discipline lays the foundation for the Long haul”.

    Great quote, Dave. We think a LOT alike. I used races as motivation for years, but have now settles in to fitness as a discipline. Like the marathon I ran, I was motivated by the race, but it was the 6 months of discipline that got me across the finish line in under 4 hours

    I don’t listen to music much when I run, but I do love that motivation of the perfect song, with that perfect beat that aligns with your steps. Temporary, but definitely motivational!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Ah, the sub-4 hour marathon is a great achievement. I got it on my second try. Congrats!

  3. Kimberly Ann says:

    Awesome post! Just what I needed to hear…. Going to ponder these ideas! (I noticed the influence of music on a workout the other day. Goggins is so inspirational! Need to figure out a way to use the two motivation/discipline in firming up some accidental diet failures.. and recheck my FI land.) Thank you!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Goggins is THE person to follow for both motivation and discipline, but he obviously preaches that the latter is more important. I’d agree.

      Don’t sweat the diet failures during COVID, I’m with ya. It’s hard. Give yourself a break and do better next time. And thanks so much for the kind words!

  4. Mr. Fate says:

    Agreed that motivation & discipline are, indeed, fantastic partners. Like you, I lost a tremendous amount of motivation in April (& May), and relied on discipline to get out doors, exercise, write and stay focused.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      April and May were the hardest to me. Now it just feels like groundhog day but at least I feel like I’v adapted better and made a COVID routine

  5. oh, man. i wish i had a bet with a friend right now. i need that nemesis even if it’s a friendly one to train hard. running around and stopping and starting with a lazy dog ain’t gonna get it done? you know what was great about the work gym and treadmill? it was easy to get in there just by reminding myself “the company is paying me to run these 3 miles.”

    i’ve never run with music. i don’t even own any device that would support that. i’m glad you’re keeping fit. you’re absolutely right about the spark waning when you take on a large goal like saving and investing. i’m a big advocate of starting small and manageable and letting those good feelings and results multiply and build momentum. inertia works both ways, doesn’t it?

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Great way to look at your former gym time. I’d be more motivated too if I knew my exercise was on my employers dime. If you don’t run with music now my advice would be to just stay with that. As I said in the post, it’s great to lift you up when you really dont wanna run, but I’d rather be able to drum up that discipline from within in a perfect world.

  6. I confess I do run with music – not a necessity, but it helps pass the time. I tried running to podcasts but I have found the mental energy to focus on what is being said saps my running energy and those runs are measurably worse. Comedy podcasts also don’t work for me. So I stick with music.

    I’m also the kind of runner who needs a race on the calendar for me to get out there consistently. After running way less than normal in March, April and May (COVID hangover – and cancelled races), I did 3 things recently to get me going: (1) joined a virtual running challenge to run the length of the NYC subway system between Memorial Day and Labor Day (245 miles) – even paid for it and got 2 shirts and a medal! and supported a local NYC running club; (2) joined another virtual running challenge (this one free!) to run every day in July (blogged about it here – https://costaricafire.com/wellness/31-days-of-running/) and (3) found a local meetup and love one of their weekly runs – they are pretty small and everyone is good about social distancing. Those 3 things have really given me the running mojo back…

    Don’t know if you log all your runs, but I have 21.5 years of running history in Excel, and so another motivator for me is comparing to prior runs on the same date in history, or prior runs on the same route, etc. Competing with myself in that way is actually a decent motivator.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Some great suggestions here. I saw all the virtual challenges online and some goofy stuff too like doing half marathons in the backyard but didn’t do any of that. The local meetup or club is something I have to pursue again. I used to run with a club back in the day but it kinda dissolved. I surely cycle with tons of groups but for whatever reason running for me has always been more of a solitude thing. But maybe I need that social aspect.

      And yes, I have about 14 years of running data myself and I do enjoy competing with my old times, but at this age it’s hard to beat them!

  7. Chris@TTL says:

    I think the root of your post — the idea that relying on external motivation in life isn’t health — makes sense. I know that’s the point, and it’s a good post on that merit alone. Let’s set that aside.

    Specifically speaking to running… I’m not sure I agree with music being too much of a crutch, at least on a day-to-day basis.

    I log somewhere around 700 miles/year running. My 10k PR is around 42:24. I don’t need, and usually don’t have, music on race days. I don’t need it.

    The race is the motivation. I think my favorite part about running is that the race is always against my previous best self. It makes the motivation internal.

    But, on those regular running days, things can get repetive. You run the same route, with the same gear, and around the same time. You might switch it up one day: train in the evening instead of the morning, try out new gear. It’ll probably give you a little motivational boost to have something new.

    At least for me, that’s what music is. It’s like getting to train on a new route: the sound environment around me creates a little bit of a new experience.

    Most importantly, offering that little novelty in the training through music, makes it more sustainable. After all, it’s a marathon not a sprint, right? Heh, I’m not sure that old saying works in this case! 😉

    Thanks for sharing yet another thought-provoking post.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Awesome comment Chris, and funny enough our 10k PRs are about the same. For whatever reason I can’t seem to significantly break the magic 7-minute per mile barrier for anything longer than a 5k. I agree with your POV, it’s just that I’d “ideally” prefer to be able to use music only when I need motivation, and to be able to draw upon my own internal discipline. I’m a massive music nerd, so it’s always welcome, but I like the notion that I’m self-sufficient in my routine and don’t need anything to get me going. It’s a balance 🙂

      • Chris@TTL says:

        I’ve been whittling that PR down for years…probably 15 seconds at a time for the past handful. It’s not easy, that’s for sure!

        At the heart of it, I really agree with your point. I want to be self-sufficient, too. Need. It’s a heck of a lot healthier to do so. After all, what if your crutch isn’t around? What, you can’t [insert favorite exercise here]?

        But, I don’t know. They almost go hand-in-hand at this point. I get psyched to listen to a new album on one of my routes when they’re out. For those 10+ milers, I’ve been hitting podcasts. It’s long enough that I can get lost in the story and almost forget about the physical running…and I love running!

        If I had to make a “best $200 purchases of the past several years”, they’d be an Apple Watch (really, anything that’s better than strapping a phone to you for quality tracking data) and bluetooth earbuds (yes, AirPods).

        They just lightened the load a bit on me but let me feel more free.

        –Wait, that may be how you always feel if you’re not music-depedent. 😉

  8. Matt says:

    I’ve started cycling again and I’ve been tweeting when I head out in the mornings – today was tough, but it was worth it. We all forget that the little tiny slivers of effort over time really add up, and thats how it comes back to personal finance. Great post as always!

  9. Steveark says:

    I built mix tapes for all my marathons that mixed motivational podcasts and amped up songs. I have always hated running so any distraction helps me. If I have to run in the mornings without my running buddy then I need something to listen to so I can forget I’m running. Fortunately I run with a group so I have someone to talk to on the run.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Ahh the old mixtape days. I used to consider myself a mixtape master! And I’m looking around for a running group right now, but w/COVID many of them are just not active. It sucks.

  10. Jacq says:

    I’ve been walking / jogging sporadically for years and consistently since last fall. More so since March. The motivation sure lacks somedays but I’ve improved my pace and lost weight and that’s what helps the discipline. Plus if I go to many days between I get wicked Charlie horses. Avoiding pain can be it’s own motivator.
    Thanks for a great post!

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Charlie horses suck, I get them in my calf sometimes while sleeping and they hurt so bad I almost scream. Congrats on crushing the movement, and thanks for the comment!

  11. It’s been bad for me. I had a routine previously. I exercise and don’t eat too much when our son goes to school. It’s a lot harder when the family is home. We’re in each other’s way all the time. It’s tough to keep up good habits when life changes.
    I’m trying to play sports with my son more.

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      That’s gotta be tough Joe, I know a lot of parents who are going through what you are now. Establishing a good routine to stick to is really key. I hope you can make it work

  12. Mr. Tako says:

    I agree, it’s been tough to get motivated lately. With the kids around the house, it’s double hard to get anything done.

    Hope this doesn’t last forever! 🙂

    • Dave @ Accidental FIRE says:

      Sounds like you and Joe are in the same boat. I think we need to prepare for this to last a long time.

  13. Deanna says:

    Great, great post, Dave. I’ve had this on my reading list for a few weeks cus the name
    caught my attention. Glad I did! It also makes me think of the four tendencies by Gretchen Rubin. While most of cannot nearly fit into a one of those squares we have tendencies. I am a rebel and the tag line for a rebel is that I cannot make me and neither can you. Haha! Anyway, knowing how what tricks might work for each of us is helpful! And then a pandemic will throw us all off!

    Peace, discipline & motivation to you.

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