FIRE Like A Boss On A 1% Withdrawal Rate
If you’re familiar with the FIRE movement then you’re probably familiar with the 4% rule. In a nutshell the 4% rule claims that you can safely withdrawal 4% of your total investments (or net worth) every year, including annual adjustments for inflation, with very little risk of running out of money.
It’s based off the 1998 Trinity Study by three finance professors at Trinity University.
It’s often a hotly debated issue with economists and so-called experts. The economist Wade Pfau thinks “3% would be a lot more realistic in terms of giving the same chance of success that we usually think about with the 4% rule” as he states in this interview.
While Karsten Jeske, aka “Big Ern”, who authors the popular Early Retirement Now blog thinks the 4% Rule is likely way too conservative for many early retirees as he explains in this post. His take is very nuanced and detailed as demonstrated by his safe withdrawal series of blog posts which now has over 40 entries! It’s recommended reading if you really want to geek out on this stuff.
Arguments aside, I follow many early retirement and FIRE blogs as well as lots of other financial media and I think a 3.5% – 4% rate seems to be something most in the community would agree is relatively safe. I fall in that camp, but I have other plans.
I plan to early retire with a 1% withdrawal rate, or less.
It’s Not Magic
How will I be able to have a 1% withdrawal rate and still be fine? I have a lifestyle business that I love, it’s that simple. Last year it made over $20,000, and I expect it to steadily grow.
Ok, I realize I just pissed off a certain portion of those who feel the need to claim domain over the word “retire”. In the FIRE community we jokingly call them the IRP, or internet retirement police. They’ve been a subject of Turnip FIRE, and others explain the annoying details of their existence and behaviors better than I care to take the time to do.
In short, IRP-types will proclaim that I won’t be retired when I fully leave my part time W2 job because I’ll have a graphic design business, and that counts to them as work. I’m not interested in stupid semantic arguments. I solve that argument very simply.
This Isn’t Hard
FIRE to me has always meant retiring from a traditional W2 job, plain and simple.
As far as having a business in retirement, I do think there’s more nuance there as to what constitutes retirement. If one starts a business that he or she has to keep working at to keep alive, then I’d argue that perhaps that person is not fully retired.
For example, someone who early retires from a career in law and starts a consulting firm that grows to have employees is probably not retired anymore. Those employees are presumably dependent on the company for their livelihood.
If the business owner hires someone to run the consulting company and thus regains 100% control of their own time on any given day, then I’d argue they are retired.
Make sense? My rules, my life, haha.
My company is a company of one and since it’s a royalty based business I have no client base or anyone who depends on me. I can take any day off, or stop working on it for good. If I do the latter the company will still exist and will still have revenue, for years or even decades in the future.
So when I leave my part time job I will have full control over all my time and have no one depending on me to work on anything. That’s called retirement, regardless of what any annoying IRP people think.
Maybe 0% Is Better Still
Back to the 1% withdrawal rate. I’m hoping to get my business income to the point where I can almost live off it and only have to withdrawal about 1% of my portfolio every year. I’m getting there, slow and steady.
In a perfect world I’ll get it to cover everything. That’s the ultimate goal. So what is that magic number?
Last year I only spent $36,478, and the year before it was $34,763. But those were both COVID years and my spending was definitely a bit lower than normal.
In the years prior to COVID I was more often in the $38k – $45K range of spending per year. When I fully retire from my W2 job I expect to travel more and increase my spending a bit. But there’s no risk of me going hog-wild and on a Hollywood movie star spending baller. I’m frugal by nature, it’s in my DNA.
So for a perfect world scenario I’m targeting $45k – $50k for my business.
If I can get my business income to that level I can enjoy 100% time freedom and not have to touch my investments to cover my expenses. A 0% FIRE withdrawal rate.
At that point if I want to “work” on my business on any given day – which I enjoy by the way – I can. If I don’t, I’ll do whatever else seems fun that day. Either way the money will still come in, 24×7.
FIRE’ing with a 0% withdrawal rate. Like a boss.
Let’s make it happen!
I’m at around 2% these days, and it seems pretty safe. But your plan seems ultra-secure! Good luck Dave, I’m sure you’ll get there soon!
You’re a boss dude, and thanks for spreading your wisdom!
Sounds like a plan! Seriously at those withdrawal rates, it is hard to argue that your plan is not robust.
Your “job” sounds like much more of a passion project that happens to generate income. Some passion projects generate income and some do not. Yours happens to do so. If you enjoy it, especially the creativity aspects then I say screw the IRP! 😀
Well done Dave!
It is a passion project indeed and I still get a kick every time someone chooses to buy something I designed. It feels great!
‘My rule, my life’ Well said Dave! 1% seems like a fantastic withdrawal rate, but 0% is like super hero level:) I’m trying to follow a similar track in terms of my tiny business as an artist. I support my mother so I’m trying to get my little business to make enough to fully cover my monthly expenses for her so that my retirement money only has to support me. My retirement money is growing faster than my business though so I may just end up supporting us both out of retirement savings. In any case, I’ll never stop being an artist so I suppose there will always be side income either way which will be nice.
If you’re only going to draw your money down at 0-1%, it seems like you’re going to leave a pile of it behind. I’d love to hear what thoughts you have on what to do with your money once you’re no longer around to use it. As a single person with no kids, I’ve been trying to think of the best thing I can do with the money I leave behind but it eludes me at the moment.
Fellow artists unite! PS, I still feel a bit weird calling myself an artist but whatever. As for what I’ll do if I’m swimming in money with no kids to give it to… I definitely plan to give it away. Going bigger I really want to start a charity of my own or a foundation of some sort one day, just not sure how that looks yet. But having that option in life is awesome!
Find a way to make the charity/foundation pay for itself so it lasts. Please consider helping the environment.
Anything that pays for itself is good!
Hey Andrea, it would be great if you could support environmental cayses. Finding a way to do it with money that generates money so its ongoing would be fantastic!
Although it is a lot more capital intensive (forcing me to work longer than if I wanted to use the 4% Withdrawal Rate) my plan all along was to develop passive income streams to cover what I think will be a very decent retirement lifestyle.
I actually surpassed that number last year with my passive income and I sort of pushed the goal post a little further because I was ahead of schedule for when I was thinking about retiring or at least going part time.
You can charge people to come and see your waterfall – easy money!
Great post Dave as always.
I’m in a similar position just a slightly different makeup. I sold my business a year ago now and have spent the past year investing and looking at opportunities of where to utilise the capital.
I would say investment wise I am currently ‘coast’ fire but still have a lump sum of cash to utilise (1st world problem I know).
Like you I have a couple of projects, freelance gigs (flexible and short hours) which cover my monthly expenses. It’s a great position to be in as the money can continue to compound and I can find new opportunities to invest (have recently bought a very small commercial property which will add to monthly cash flow).
Again like you for the next 5-10 years I endeavour to stay at a 0% withdrawal rate and will assess that as the time comes. I’m hoping that my projects/passive(ish) streams continue to hit our monthly expenses while still enjoying things.
What is your plan re your job? Is your plan to hit your monthly expense target before leaving or are you taking each day at a time? You seem enthused by your side gig but i do wonder when you will take the next step 🙂
Thanks again for your excellent post, very timely.
Ryan
Sounds like you’re sitting pretty Ryan, and to have started a business and taken it to fruition by selling must feel awesome. I could sell mine someday because I’d just be selling the copyright to my designs, but I like it too much for now. As for plans for my W2 job, to use a baseball analogy let’s just say we’re past the 7th inning stretch and I’ll leave it there 🙂 Thanks for the comment!
1% SWR. That’s the dream, isn’t it?
I don’t think I’d ever feel comfortable having zero income coming in the door, so my goal is similar to what you’ve accomplished. Find something I enjoy doing that brings in enough (or almost enough) to live off of.
To me that still certainly sounds like retirement!
Good point Marc and I agree, I think I’d feel a bit weird not having any income at all. My family history just has too much struggle around money for that to settle with me. Thanks for the comment!
Nice plan. As long as you are happy and call the shots for yourself, let others worry about “what retired means”. You don’t have time for that since you are enjoying your life.
We have been doing tracking our spending the past two years to make sure our retirement income can cover it when we retire in 1.6 years. Things are looking good where we don’t have to touch our net worth unless we start to live like movie stars like you. Ha ha.
I ain’t got time for that!! Amen. I like how you mention exactly “1.6” years – yes you ARE tracking, haha!
I totally agree that your retirement your rules. However I think bloggers should ne transparent about money from blogging or spousal income when discussing withdrawl rate. 1% from your 401k is less doable if you have zero income coming in.
I agree, I don’t have a spouse, I list my business income, and my blog makes a piddance… barely enough to have to report to the IRS
that’s the sweet spot, dave. plus it leaves you a lot of room in case you want to take the plunge and buy a property.
even though i’m still working and my modest salary easily covers the necessities we’re withdrawing 2% this year just because it’s barely taxed. we won’t spend the whole withdrawn amount but it’s time in life to build up a big pile of cash for when i pull the plug.
“big pile of cash”… that might be the name of my next rock band. Livin the dream dude!
Thanks for the mention. And congrats on the very safe withdrawal strategy. I’m glad that I’m not the most conservative FIRE blogger! 😉
Haha, no you’re not by far as you can see from other commenters here. We conservative types are in great company!
I’m at 0% because my wife is still working. 😉 When we retire, we should still be close to 0%. We have passive income, blog income, rental income, and hopefully other side hustles. 4% is good for when you’re 65.
I’m guessing you’ll be past 0% Joe and you’ll have a rising net worth while withdrawing nothing, You’re just frugal, and that’s why we love you!
Playing devil’s advocate…maybe you worked too long and could’ve FIRE’d much earlier?
But alas, I’m also in your court! Multiple streams of income wins every time. So kudos to your plan! Five plus years into early retirement, and we are still at a 0% SWR, thanks to other streams. But I have had many days over my short five year retirement, when I’ve said…dang it…I could’ve done this so much sooner!…What did I miss out on trying to be so confident in my plan? But then I remind myself, that I’m thankful for such a first world problem.
Cheers to a great plan! Crush it!
Yes I have but as I’ve written about before there are parts of my job I still don’t mind. Plus the pandemic and working from home ‘reset’ the scale as to how much I enjoy it. Believe me I weigh the pros/cons all the time and will make changes if necessary. Thanks for the comment and kudos to you!
I love it! This a fantastic plan and stoked your business continues to grow! My original plan was for a sub 1% withdrawal rate (some would say I oversaved, but it’s my risk tolerance dammit 😁. It’s actually turned out to be a 0% withdrawal rate as dividends cover all my annual expenses. I’d bet big coin that you’ll also hit this as the business continues to kick ass!
Dang dude, that’s amazing! I’m not nearly there yet with my dividends although if I counted dividends inside of my tax-free accounts I imagine I’m dong well. But those are untouchable for now. Congrats to you on the 0% level – you’ve reached the true holy grail!
It would be amazing to achieve a 1% withdrawal rate. A dividend approach sounds like a great idea to achieve this.
Yes indeed it would. Thanks for the comment!
Sub 40K is a great budget! Have you ever published an annual budget report? I think we spent about $240,000 in 2021 for a family of four, but I’m afraid to look! Lol
I hope when my book comes out on June 28, 2022, more folks will finally adopt my dynamic safe withdrawal rate that changes with the times.
But I’m not sure America is ready for change. The FS safe withdrawal rate now guides for 2.4%.
If you’d like a hard copy to review, please shoot me an email and will get Portfolio Penguin to send you a copy. No worries if not.
Thanks,
Sam
Yes I published spending reports for the past two years, and I agree America is not ready to change. If anything America wants to get back to pre-pandemic “normal” which means spend spend spend and then complain that no one can get ahead. But hey, that’s why we’re different 🙂